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      05-25-2020, 04:50 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by pigwet View Post
*TABLE*

Help complete the table!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

*SUMMARY*

Tunes that only access MAP/TMAP sensors (BMS Stage 1, BMS JB4 set to MAP 1)
--the simplest approach
--without access to RPM, it can only supply a constant increase in added boost for all RPM, in this case +4psi
--the car will get cranky at some added boost level (greater than +4psi or so = +40-50 whp) and the HP gains are limited by this

Another group that accesses MAP/TMAP/CAMSHAFT (Vivid, Turner, Tuning Tech, Active Autowerkes)
--access to RPM through CAMSHAFT gives ability to adjust boost with RPM

Another group that accesses MAP/TMAP/CAMSHAFT/MAF (DTE/ESS/ & maybe Velos)
--access to RPM through CAMSHAFT gives ability to adjust boost with RPM
--the MAF gives them the ability to avoid some potential codes a higher boost levels
--the MAF also reportedly gives the ability to improve shifting smoothness

One tune that accesses MAP/TMAP/Fuel Mass/Wastegate and CANbus (BMS JB4)
--this gives access to all of the above and much more
--enables ability to do fancy things like switch maps from steering wheel and open exhaust valves
--enables data logging capabilities
--enables much higher power tunes/mods including methanol and larger turbos
--includes a code reader & clearer
--the 1st map is very simple additive +4psi map and does not require connecting to CANbus (called STAGE 1)
--the 2nd and 3rd maps are still additive maps but +psi varies with RPM, requiring connecting to CANbus (called STAGE 2)
--the 4th map is for diagnostics
--the higher maps are riskier absolute (not additive) maps meant for higher octane fuels, larger turbos, etc. (called STAGE 3)
--the higher maps may require connection to wastegate and fuel mass sensors

And finally the DINAN
--rather than plugging into individual sensors, it plugs directly into the MDE/ECU which is below and in front of the intercooler
--only 14 or so wires are intercepted, so not all wires going into ECU are addressed as stated in their videos
--not clear how this approach differs from BMS, but it is more difficult to install and only a qualified installer/dealer can do it
--comes w/o firmware loaded, adding time to installation

From what I gather, the BMS JB4 offers everything the DINAN may someday offer for the F80/F82 - but currently the JB4 offers significantly more tuning and data logging options than any other tune.



*ORIGINAL*

I'm trying to better understand piggybacks and the different signals they adjust. For example, Dinan speaks a lot about adjusting the waste gate and sluggishness during gear shifts whereas others do not. ESS uses the MAF whereas others do not.

In particular, I'm interested in the ability of these tunes to work as designed at high altitudes. There appears to be a difference between MAF & MAP based versus MAP only tunes according to discussions here: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=224799

I'm compiling a summary table and would appreciate it if you can check for accuracy in each product & column. If a column should be added, please suggest it. As always, please reference your input with a link to the manufacturers website, manufacturers thread, or manufacturers instructions/image/PDF etc.

Thanks!

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Wow, thanks for taking the time to post this! Very helpful indeed.
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