07-28-2023, 08:29 AM | #1 |
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Aftermarket Pads and Rotors for F80 M3
I have the M carbon ceramic brakes.
Spend: 2,700 plus install Need to change to a steel setup. Here is what I'd like to do: Centric rotors Stoptech street pads - premium Stoptech street pads - ultra premium What's the difference between premium and ultra? I assume the ultra is better? Centric pads
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I’ve been thinking of changing from oem steels to oem ccb.
Some say only needed if tracking but as I’m in Germany now I’d love the confidence of CCB Are they a waste for street only? |
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07-28-2023, 07:58 PM | #3 |
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Most go from ccb to ccb calipers with steel rotors.
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Yes, Ultra is better; they offer different levels of stopping power. Ultra is the best one.
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08-03-2023, 07:36 AM | #7 |
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A note about chipped carbon ceramic rotor.
A chip may not big enough to effect braking. However, it is an issue in to other ways: 1. A chip can develop a sharp edges that contribute to accelerated brake pad wear, and those pads are not cheap. In addition, and related, you will get more dust. 2. The chip may expose the core disk to oxidation. The friction layer on BMW rotors is made from Silicon Carbide. That material does not oxidize. But the core disk stracture is made of Carbon Ceramic and carbon tend to oxidize. Oxidation happens all the time because, luckily to us, there is O2 everwhere. But it is a slow process and over 10 years we see oxidation to core. Pic attached. Oxidation will accelerate at 420 dec Celsius and we see those disks at Rebrake. If we see them early enough, we can save them. Chips can be repaired. The surface look will not be the same, but functionally it is the same and will pass inspection in Germany (a chip will fail inspection). We don’t have this inspection issue in the US, as far as I know. Attached are three pictures: 1. Chip 2. Oxidation of core (see pitted and small holes 3. Core rotor sealed and fixed Feel free to visit our web site at rebrakeusa and contact me with any Carbon Ceramic questions. This is all we do. Rami |
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What is a good Steel brake kit and pads to replace Carbon Ceramic brakes?
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Do you want my ccb set?
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Shipping costs from Detroit, MI to Dublin, Ireland won’t be cheap and you’d definitely want ins coverage for the true replacement cost if one or more gets damaged.
CCBs are not the best option for the track. Read/watch BimmerWorld’s GTmore blog/video on the use of CCBs for track use. Cost of replacement vs. track rotor longevity has a long way to go to before matching the iron rotor replacement cost vs. track rotor longevity. Another issue with CCBs for track use is there’s fewer than a handful of CCB track/race pad compounds whereas the number of iron rotor track/race pad compounds are probably in the 100s to choose from. |
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If you’re going to do the swap, the CCB/CCM rotors from Triton Motorsports are < $10k for four rotors + two sets of pads. They supposedly have better track longevity and can be serviced three times. They also offer iron rotors for the CCB calipers. Read thru the discussion in the link below:
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I’ll never be tracking my car. Just fast road driving. |
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Forget to mention, Triton also offers CCB/CCM brake for the blue iron brake setups - 380x30 and 370x24. Seems like they’d be a heat management problem because BMW determined they required 400 mm front rotors and 380 mm rear rotors as well as thicker front and rear rotors. |
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I’ve developed a small clunk from what I think is the right front over last 1000 miles. My car was in with Bmw on the ramp for a gearbox oil change until they realised they hadn’t ordered the second filter I asked to inspect the suspension and found nothing. I’m running 763 original CS wheels. 19 inch front definitely give better ride quality but I can’t help but think that since I swapped standard 4 pot to 6 pot with 400mm steels(which are so heavy) it may have contributed to it. So upgrading to CCB would ideal for me in terms of weight saving and no brake dust as the brake dust from the 2NH kit is the worst I’ve ever seen! |
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So you have a f87 M2C 2NH brake setup on your car? The iron rotors are massive on that kit and, sadly, they don’t work great on the track. They have the rotor OD, rotor thickness, pad radial depth and size, and the mass to absorb a huge amount of energy yet they’re a let down on track! You’ll probably notice a small difference when cornering and braking. If I had a CCB brake kit, I’d probably take the chance and order a set of Triton Motorsport CCB/CCM rotors and pads. The stacking of pre-cured continuous fiber sheets to form a brake rotor does sound like it’ll be more resistant to damage and increase performance because their strength and stiffness are orthotropic (different strength and stiffness in different directions). Plus the ability to service them three times before needing to be replaced is appealing. So what is this new noise you hear? Does it do it if you’re moving forward and reverse or just forward? Does it do it with hot and cold brakes or just cold or just hot? Have you changed anything else in the past 1k miles? |
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I’d love to know how to inspect it properly when jacking up the wheel and then checking the wheel bearing for play. On Irish and Uk roads the left front wheel bearing always goes first as the majority of pot holes are beside the ditches and grass at the edge of our terrible roads My only thought that it may be connected to the brakes is that yeah are so heavy |
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Only when I go over a footpath break in the road when going in to under ground car park for example. It’s at low speed but it definitely wasn’t there before. |
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