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      08-14-2011, 09:51 AM   #177
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three turbos, ahhh!

With the HFP failure rates on existing architecture, I'll welcome to see how this one shakes out...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spi...os-future_cars


probably "old"ish news... but saw this other day

from car and driver spotting

"But even if the M3’s name changes, the biggest news will still be under the hood, where a twin-turbocharged inline-six will replace the current 4.0-liter V-8. The eight-pot, which was derived from the last-gen M5’s 5.0-liter V-10, is flexible, sonorous, and powerful, but it also has a bad drinking habit—not good in an era of legislated efficiency. The blown six will indeed use less fuel, but it also should be more powerful. Figure on 430 horsepower or so, up from the current car’s 414-hp figure. We hear the new six is based on the single-turbo, 3.0-liter N55 engine found in several current BMWs, including the 335i, the 5-series, and the X5. A seven-speed dual-clutch transmission will be offered, as it is now, and we also expect BMW to continue to offer a six-speed manual, as well as adjustable dampers and dynamic M chassis settings."

n55 inline 6.... pass on m3

I will be getting a current e92 sedan m3 then in 2013
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      08-14-2011, 12:55 PM   #178
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Not digging the tri-turbo concept...

If they wanted the staggered boost concept, wouldn't it have been easier to use a twin-scroll set up for the bottom 4 cylinders and a larger higher boost traditional turbo that kicks in about 3500 rpm and takes u to 7500-8000 rpm?

too many concerns here - overheating, robbing power off the crank, added weight, 3 intercoolers, another hpfp; very concerned about reliability, not to mention this is less efficient
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I can't help but think this will be very complex with 3 turbos and all the plumbing. Let's hope HPFP will not be an issue with this one.
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...Panamera? I'd rather drive a pontiac aztec. AFA interior, before I bought my Exige, I drove a Cayman S and z4 M coupe. The porsche was the worst interior, IMO. terrible design, thin steering wheel, narrow seats (and I'm 5'11/145lbs!) In fact, the only thing I liked about that car was the transmission whine. My exige's interior is better than the Porsche. Way better.

I do wish the 1M had the E46s 3.2L motor...S54?. That would have been awesome and would have saved BMW even more money than developing the I6 TT, is my guess.
Haha! Syle opinions from someone with an Exige are about as valid as political opinions from a retarded infant.
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      08-14-2011, 06:33 PM   #181
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I will be getting a current e92 sedan m3 then in 2013
You want the coupe (E92) or sedan? If you want a sedan you better act fast...............sedan production ends October 2011.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542482
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      08-14-2011, 10:35 PM   #182
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Guys, have BMW confirmed anything around the brakes? The front looks to be a 4pot caliper, surely they would put something better?
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How does the OP know there is a tri-turbo inline 6 under the hood of this thing? The title of the thread seems to indicate such.
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Quick question--how do we know they're testing the tri-turbo in this mule?

Or is that just the current speculation?
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If I told you I'd have to kill you.


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So, this is nationalenquirer.com now?

Maybe you know, but posting a title as fact with nothing anywhere near showing that as the case...pretty misleading...
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The issue of S54 for 1M was not wieght but emissions, it did not reach EU5 regulation. As for wieght they could just have it recast in alu/magnesium instead of steel.

A 90° V6 with counter-rotating balancing shafts is as smouth as an I6, weighs more, but the engines being alot shorter can be moved more backwards for an even better weight blance.

It looks like M3 Sedan (F30), M3 Touring (F31) are coming, in adition to M3 Coupé (F32), M3 Convertible (F33) and M3 GanCoupé (F35). Even an M3 GT (F35) is possible. Well and then we are geting X3 M (F25) and Z4 M (E89) but not sure if with the same engine.
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It is indeed a true M3 Sedan (F30).
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You want the coupe (E92) or sedan? If you want a sedan you better act fast...............sedan production ends October 2011.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542482
I want the sedan- so e90 right? Sorry I am a long time 1'er... need to polish up on the M's!

I won't be getting it new... always had new cars and I want to try a used car maybe... also for the bargain and possible experience. I figure by the time the new one comes out in 2013 (the tri turbo) the prices will drop for the e90 M sedan and I can snag one up in APW!

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Why are people comparing Porsche 911 to the M3? A 911 is a $100k+ car. The M3 is a $65k car. COMPLETELY different price ranges.

M3 is a 4 seater, the 911 is a 2 seater. The 911 is a purpose-built sports car, the M3 is not a sports car.

And according to this news item, there is a lot of bad information about the engine in this thread. The engine will be an inline 6, 3.0 liters (not 3.2), and will be more of a race-ready N55 than anything else.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...aspx?AR=258632


As far as the direction of the M3 goes...I am much more interested in BMW shaving weight off of the car rather than putting AMG-like ridiculous powerplants in the cars. A turbo 6 sounds like an ideal engine, but it needs to be done with forged pistons, and not suffer from heatsoak issues like the N55/N54.
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cant see much of yet but still HELL YEAH. I really hope they keep making m3 sedans, i personally prefer how the e90 m3 looks vs. the e92 m3.
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Why are people comparing Porsche 911 to the M3? A 911 is a $100k+ car. The M3 is a $65k car. COMPLETELY different price ranges.

M3 is a 4 seater, the 911 is a 2 seater. The 911 is a purpose-built sports car, the M3 is not a sports car.

And according to this news item, there is a lot of bad information about the engine in this thread. The engine will be an inline 6, 3.0 liters (not 3.2), and will be more of a race-ready N55 than anything else.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...aspx?AR=258632


As far as the direction of the M3 goes...I am much more interested in BMW shaving weight off of the car rather than putting AMG-like ridiculous powerplants in the cars. A turbo 6 sounds like an ideal engine, but it needs to be done with forged pistons, and not suffer from heatsoak issues like the N55/N54.
Indeed, the displacement is going to be of 3.000 ccm, as the engine will be based on the N55 and should be called S55. It would be 3.300 ccm if it were the V6 based on the 4.4l V8 S63.
We are looking at a 3.0l I6 S55 with Twin-Porwer Twin-Turbos with one Electric Turbo based on the 3.0l I6 N55 with Twin-Power Single-Turbo.
S55 is to get 450 PS in the standard M3 (F3X), that is 150 HP/l. For comparision:
Nissan GT-R (MkII): 3.8l V6, 530 PS, 140 PS/l
Porsche 911 Turbo S (997): 3.8l B6, 530 PS, 140 PS/l
Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997): 3.6l B6, 620 PS, 172 PS/l
McLaren MP4-12C: 3.8l V6, 600 PS, 158 PS/l
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You want the coupe (E92) or sedan? If you want a sedan you better act fast...............sedan production ends October 2011.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542482
Actually, June 19th was the last day to order a e90 ///M3. You can only get one used or from a lot.

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And according to this news item, there is a lot of bad information about the engine in this thread. The engine will be an inline 6, 3.0 liters (not 3.2), and will be more of a race-ready N55 than anything else.
We'll see whose info turns out to be correct.


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there is so much crap info (best way to describe it) floating around right now and I think its all just guesses that these magazines are reporting as fact from their "sources".

Left Lane News is saying 2 turbos, which I can see, but maybe thats just because the "tri-turbo" is really 2 regular turbos plus some electric device and BMW might still just call it a twin turbo (since turbo is exhaust driven).

as far as the actual engine and the report of an enhanced N55 engine, do you really think BMW would do that? I mean they did it for the 1M but thats a different beast, I could see them taking a N55 and turning it into a 3.2L and then adding two large turbos but that is still a completely new engine, not just an enhanced N55 (just my opinion). If in fact it is just a N55 with an extra turbo, 430HP like the article suggests, then they are going to lose a lot of sales to Mercedes and Audi, Especially if the price is the same or higher than the current M3, not many will pay $70K for a loaded M3 that is using a N55 engine with an extra turbo.
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as far as the actual engine and the report of an enhanced N55 engine, do you really think BMW would do that? I mean they did it for the 1M but thats a different beast, I could see them taking a N55 and turning it into a 3.2L and then adding two large turbos but that is still a completely new engine, not just an enhanced N55 (just my opinion). If in fact it is just a N55 with an extra turbo, 430HP like the article suggests, then they are going to lose a lot of sales to Mercedes and Audi, Especially if the price is the same or higher than the current M3, not many will pay $70K for a loaded M3 that is using a N55 engine with an extra turbo.
M5, M6, X5 M, and X6 M all use what could be described as an "enhanced N63". You may instead call the S63 and S63Tu a whole new engine, but that's all pretty subjective (though at leat the Tu adds valvetronic).

For the M3, it's almost surely gonna be an engine that is adapted from the standard I6. To me the important part is not how much M does to the engine, but how much power they get from it and how the car performs.
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If in fact it is just a N55 with an extra turbo, 430HP like the article suggests, then they are going to lose a lot of sales to Mercedes and Audi, Especially if the price is the same or higher than the current M3, not many will pay $70K for a loaded M3 that is using a N55 engine with an extra turbo.
You may be right but that's what they're going to do.

Not very many car manufacturers develop engines for just one model these days.
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You may be right but that's what they're going to do.

Not very many car manufacturers develop engines for just one model these days.
Is there another car in the BMW lineup using the current M3 engine? There will be plenty of cars using the new M3 engine:

Immediate:
X3M
M3
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M4 Gran Coupe
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M2 with one less turbo?
X1M with one less turbo?
3 Series with 1 turbo instead of 2? 335i in a few years with the 3.2L and one turbo with say around 350 HP, remember how the 330i went to the 335i right after the remodel.
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Wow... horrible idea... Definitely NOT buying a first year model...
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Is there another car in the BMW lineup using the current M3 engine? There will be plenty of cars using the new M3 engine:

Immediate:
X3M
M3
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X4M
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M2 with one less turbo?
X1M with one less turbo?
3 Series with 1 turbo instead of 2? 335i in a few years with the 3.2L and one turbo with say around 350 HP, remember how the 330i went to the 335i right after the remodel.
Its impractical for everyday cars to use the current M3 setup. It was designed for the M3.

I'm not a fan of shared powertrains myself, but then again, the direction of BMW is kinda losing me anyway.
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