11-22-2011, 06:03 AM | #23 |
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FI 3.3l V6 is the only way to go for M3 if you want something SPECIAL and M WORTHY. Anyway the 2 door M3 won't be anymore called M3 but M4. The Legend is over, let the new Legend beginn: M One & M Two.
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11-22-2011, 06:17 AM | #24 | |
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11-23-2011, 12:48 AM | #28 | |
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Ich habe ein sehr inniges Verhältnis zur M-GmbH und bis Montag war tatsächlich der V6 favorisiert und stand ganz oben auf der Entwicklungsliste. Leider wurde am Montag vom Vorstand beschlossen: Das Projekt V6 wird gestoppt und es geht mit dem R6 weiter.... Jedem ist und war klar, dass der V6 alles besser kann! Er ist standfester, bietet das bessere Entwicklungspotenzial, besseres Ansprechverhalten, etc... Die Leistung war ursprünglich auf 470 PS avisiert, mit Drivers-Package sogar 500 PS... Einziger Nachteil: Die Kosten! Und genau aus diesem Grund wurde das Projekt V6 nun beendet und auf den R6 gesetzt. Es wird nun ein popeliger 335i gepimpt! Damit wird die Leistung bei max. 420 PS liegen und die wenig besseren Fahrwerte nur aufgrund des etwas geringeren Gewichts gegenüber dem E90 erreicht. Nun muss jeder selber wissen, was er möchte...ich persönlich werde jedenfalls keine 25.000 mehr für einen gepimpten 335i berappen. Denn welche Vorteile bringt der M3 denn nun noch gegenüber einem 335i? Die prollige Optik? Muss ich eh nicht unbedingt haben... Das DKG? Wird es im F30-335i auch geben... Das adaptive Fahrwerk? Hat der F30-335i jetzt auch... Die Leistung? Schraubt mir jeder Tuner für 1.000 auch dorthin... ...und wenn es den Motor zerreist? Ja und...keine 20.000 und es ist ein neuer drin- ist immer noch billiger als ein M3 Ich bin jedenfalls nicht gewillt, Großserientechnik zu überhöhten Preisen zu kaufen. Ein M war bisher immer etwas besonderes- und damit seinen Preis auch irgendwo wert! Aber unter den zu erwartenden Umständen werde ich mir einen C63 kaufen... |
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11-23-2011, 02:31 AM | #30 |
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Same descission they made with the 1M ... and probably the same engine, with greater turbos to reach 400+HP output ... and with the patented eDrive-Turbo to reach an better response on low rpm. This seems to the cheapest possible way to make an engine in this power range ... but this is never an real M engine !!!
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11-23-2011, 05:24 AM | #31 | |
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The E30 M3 engine (S14) was a development of the M10 4 cylinder with a S38/M88 cylinder head. The M10 was a series production engine from 1960 to 1987 in many different BMW cars The E36 M3 engines (S50 & S52) were developments of the M50 & M52 inline sixes from the E30 and E36 3 series cars. The E46 M3 engine (S54) was a development of the M54 inline six from the E46 3 Series cars. The E90/92/93 M3 engine was the only M3 specific engine to date. It was a development of the S85 M5/M6 engine which was one of a very few ground up engine designs for the M division. The S65 has not yet and most likely will not be used in any other BMW car after the E90/92/93 M3. |
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11-23-2011, 05:49 AM | #32 |
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This morning i had an telephonecall from BMW M.
I told my contact about the bad meaning for an Inlinesix-machine based on the N54/55. But he told me, that this is no option, to use the N54/55. First they need more than 3 liters- and this ist with the N54/55 unable! And second, they have enough other machine-Basements to realise a perfekt Turbo-Machine.... Also he has an invitation for me, to drive the new F80 in the near future... So i wait and see... |
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11-25-2011, 05:28 PM | #33 | |
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People have this Pollyanna type view of the e30 M3 - it was a hack! The engine came from the M10, the head was from a 6cyl engine, the body was a seam welded coupe, the brakes came from a 5 series, it was a bitza. That doesn't take away from how brilliant it is, but just realize that it wasn't this magical one off hand build M car. It was put together from factory leftovers. Just like the 1M, and that worked out ok too...
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11-28-2011, 07:05 AM | #34 |
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Why resistance to V6 ?
Because it's different than what people are used to. Well at least M fanboys. That's all. When the last M3 turned V8, ooh, the inline concept was forsaken. When the 1M and M5 turned to forced induction, ooh, the natural aspiration concept was forsaken. People love what they know, and fear what they don't know. And it's not like there are no V6 spec'ed fantastic cars out there. So there's no problem inherent to the V6 layout. |
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12-01-2011, 09:06 PM | #35 | |
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That's terrible news on the other hand. I might just hold on to my N54 E92...
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12-05-2011, 09:17 PM | #36 | |
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It will NOT be an n54 or n55, that is all i know. |
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12-05-2011, 11:39 PM | #37 | |
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Good time, then, to consider treasuring the E92 M3 V8
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I know I will get blasted for this but I would like to see BMW take a stab at the Flat 6 (boxer) engine. If it's about weight distribution, CoG and balance, the flat setup would be pretty ideal.
BMW is known for their 50/50 distribution and predictable handling on the road/track. My argument is, "who cares what kind of engine achieves this performance." BMW has been hugely successful with the current M3 iteration using the V8, winning C/D's Car of the Year. All that really matters is that the next M outperforms the last M in all facets. |
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01-27-2012, 10:22 PM | #41 | |
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The M3 gets a straight six-cylinder 3.3 liter engine! |
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01-28-2012, 07:38 AM | #42 |
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Yes- it is an inline six as I have heard as well.
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Yes, kueks turned out to be well-informed yet again when he mentioned the V6 might be too expensive back in November (the post written in German in this very thread).
Personallly, I wouldn't have minded a V6 but guess an inline-6 is better for general appeal. So the question remaining is this: How many turbos, three or four? Best regards, south
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2 TwinScroll-Turbos were that, what would be very likely ... so should 4 Turbos the right term if you would follows the BMW definition of their TwinScroll Turbo. |
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