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      05-01-2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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Lightbulb M3 Powerhouse?

So we all know the new M?? will be released sometime soon...so with that being said, what HP figures would be optimal for you? I'd say about 45oHP & 45o-47oTQ...No more underpowered torque figures...plus think about this as well.BMW is moving away from NA engines sooo a tune with this would b crazy(maybe M5 numbers), even if it would the same as the older models, having turbos with tunes is going to be a breakthrough.
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      05-03-2012, 04:32 AM   #2
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Next M3 engine capacity size leaked in Aus. Mag?

I just finished reading the latest 'Motor' magazine here in Aus (arguably the top selling motoring mag over here in Australia) ... BMW took out a 'centrefold' section that has around 5-6 pages dedicated to M .. on the last page they had a dedicated statement under the heading "M Powering the future" ..and then had text saying 'if that means a return to 5 litre naturally-aspirated V10 engines, so be it. If that means a move to 3.3 litre Turbo charge technology, so be it ..." therefore all these rumours of 3.3 mill with Turbo seems spot on for next M3 - how many turbo's is still up for grabs ...

also ..I spoke to my local dealer today about looking to buy a new V8 M3 sedan (need the practical element - even though I am cross shopping second hand 997 911's - either way they are around $190k AUD, close to US$200 k so not cheap)

anyway .. I was asking about the M3 drive day at local track (want to have another blast around a track before deciding, I'm doing same with Porsche) ... what was interesting is that he was pretty much giving me an indication to 'hold off for now' due to new model on the way .. so I'm wondering the the new M3 sedan may in fact be coming over here to Aus early next year rather than 2014 in US etc .. hope so ..I'll hold off for a few months to find out
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      05-03-2012, 04:45 AM   #3
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also ..I spoke to my local dealer today about looking to buy a new V8 M3 sedan (need the practical element)
There's no need to apologize for getting a sedan
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      05-03-2012, 08:56 AM   #4
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I wouldn't wait if I were you. It's most likely two years or more away as the current generation will be produced in to mid 2013.
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      05-24-2012, 08:43 PM   #5
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Cant wait.
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      05-25-2012, 11:39 AM   #6
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I just finished reading the latest 'Motor' magazine here in Aus (arguably the top selling motoring mag over here in Australia) ... BMW took out a 'centrefold' section that has around 5-6 pages dedicated to M .. on the last page they had a dedicated statement under the heading "M Powering the future" ..and then had text saying 'if that means a return to 5 litre naturally-aspirated V10 engines, so be it. If that means a move to 3.3 litre Turbo charge technology, so be it ..." therefore all these rumours of 3.3 mill with Turbo seems spot on for next M3 - how many turbo's is still up for grabs ...

also ..I spoke to my local dealer today about looking to buy a new V8 M3 sedan (need the practical element - even though I am cross shopping second hand 997 911's - either way they are around $190k AUD, close to US$200 k so not cheap)

anyway .. I was asking about the M3 drive day at local track (want to have another blast around a track before deciding, I'm doing same with Porsche) ... what was interesting is that he was pretty much giving me an indication to 'hold off for now' due to new model on the way .. so I'm wondering the the new M3 sedan may in fact be coming over here to Aus early next year rather than 2014 in US etc .. hope so ..I'll hold off for a few months to find out
The E90 chassis ended production last fall so there is no way you could buy a "new" M3 sedan based on that chassis, probably the reason he told you to wait.

The new F80 is at least a year out... directly from M in Garching and not some dealer.
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      05-25-2012, 11:48 AM   #7
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At least 420 hp and 380 ft lbs.... exactly 3/4 of the M5's figures
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At least 420 hp and 380 ft lbs.... exactly 3/4 of the M5's figures
i feel like it's going to be more than that...with the '13 mustang gt making 420 hp, the C63 making 451, the RS5 making 444...definitely liking the 450+ hp/tq...

but more importantly, i hope the pieces all come together better than those aforementioned...
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i feel like it's going to be more than that...with the '13 mustang gt making 420 hp, the C63 making 451, the RS5 making 444...definitely liking the 450+ hp/tq...

but more importantly, i hope the pieces all come together better than those aforementioned...
Mercedes always had more power than the M3, yet BMW didn't feel a need to rectify that.

BMW tends to have "round" figures in kilowatts of power. For example, the current M3 has 309kW. BMW M5 has 418kW. A good figure to keep the new M3 from beating the new M5, given the fact that the new M5 is quite heavy at 1920kg, would be like 320-335kW. Given the fact that the new M3 will probably be significantly lighter than the old M3 (lighter engine than the old V8 + carbon technology they showcased with the M3 CRT), I would say the 320-335kW (430-440hp - more likely 440hp) would be a good figure. Otherwise the M3 would beat the M5 on all magazine tests, and I'm not sure BMW wants this, they need to make money

So I think the new M3 will have very close to 440hp. I fact, I can't make my mind between 430 and 440

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Mercedes always had more power than the M3, yet BMW didn't feel a need to rectify that.

BMW tends to have "round" figures in kilowatts of power. For example, the current M3 has 309kW. BMW M5 has 418kW. A good figure to keep the new M3 from beating the new M5, given the fact that the new M5 is quite heavy at 1920kg, would be like 320-335kW. Given the fact that the new M3 will probably be significantly lighter than the old M3 (lighter engine than the old V8 + carbon technology they showcased with the M3 CRT), I would say the 320-335kW (430-440hp - more likely 440hp) would be a good figure. Otherwise the M3 would beat the M5 on all magazine tests, and I'm not sure BMW wants this, they need to make money

So I think the new M3 will have very close to 440hp. I fact, I can't make my mind between 430 and 440
agreed, i'm not saying that it needs to be more, but it needs to be more than what the v8 is pushing, along with increased torque in order to remain relevant in the niche it currently fills...and being the most balanced of the lot.
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The E90 chassis ended production last fall so there is no way you could buy a "new" M3 sedan based on that chassis, probably the reason he told you to wait.

The new F80 is at least a year out... directly from M in Garching and not some dealer.
Can confirm the last M3 sedans in Australia were sold early March 2012. I even put a deposit on a cancelled order M3 sedan on 1 March, only to miss out after the dealer stuffed up.
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