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      07-18-2012, 05:34 PM   #89
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A list of forthcoming miniatures from BMW AG has been released in Germany, amongst the M6's and the Gran Coupe they list the BMW F34 3er Gran Turismo and BMW F32 4er Coupe.

We have a saying in Germany and that is get over it!
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      07-18-2012, 05:47 PM   #90
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Guys, I don't think the naming convention is the biggest problem of current/future M cars. So relax. If you like the car, then buy it. M3 badges are very cheap at ebay. Replace at home, after delivery.
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      07-18-2012, 05:52 PM   #91
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Guys, I don't think the naming convention is the biggest problem of current/future M cars. So relax. If you like the car, then buy it. M3 badges are very cheap at ebay. Replace at home, after delivery.
Exactly. Also people bitching about M's going turbo need to get over it. It is what it is. If you don't like the idea then keep/buy an E9X M or get the S5 when it comes out.
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      07-18-2012, 07:26 PM   #92
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I read in an English motoring mag that BMW were going to call the coupé and the vert the '4 series' and the 3 series will carry on being the 4 door saloon and 5 door estate.

This was something to do with Audi having an A4 for the 4/5 doors and an A5 for the 2 door versions.

So if this is true you will be driving a 4 series if you want another 2 door BMW whether you like it or not!
Which is a good idea because that is how BMW made a name for itself, by just following what everyone else does.

The fall may not be obvious, but boy is it coming......

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      07-18-2012, 07:28 PM   #93
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A list of forthcoming miniatures from BMW AG has been released in Germany, amongst the M6's and the Gran Coupe they list the BMW F34 3er Gran Turismo and BMW F32 4er Coupe.

We have a saying in Germany and that is get over it!
Sure SCOTT26......whatever you say, we will get over it.

All mighty BMW marketing, we are so sorry, please forgive our transgressions. Just tell us what we should like and how we should like it and we will.
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      07-18-2012, 07:41 PM   #94
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Sure SCOTT26......whatever you say, we will get over it.

All mighty BMW marketing, we are so sorry, please forgive our transgressions. Just tell us what we should like it and how we should like it and we will.
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      07-18-2012, 07:42 PM   #95
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Sure SCOTT26......whatever you say, we will get over it.

All mighty BMW marketing, we are so sorry, please forgive our transgressions. Just tell us what we should like it and how we should like it and we will.
It's also called "CHANGE."
Some people like it, some people accept it and others freak out over it and start bitching\whining.
Like Scott said, get over it.
If you don't like it, don't buy it - Keep it simple
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re: issues with the M4 name, just pray the badging won't say "Sdrive".
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      07-18-2012, 07:51 PM   #97
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M4 drivers rebadging to M3 = G35 drivers rebadging to Skyline
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      07-18-2012, 07:52 PM   #98
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Which is a good idea because that is how BMW made a name for itself, by just following what everyone else does.

The fall may not be obvious, but boy is it coming......

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Do you post anything but complaints? Looking at your posts that's all you contribute here. Give it a rest already we get it you hate BMW's direction. Theres no need to repeat yourself multiple times in every thread about every new future car or news.

Just vote with your wallet and make your M3 the last BMW you buy. Easy.
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      07-18-2012, 08:20 PM   #99
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looking forward to more pics and details of this car. i still have my money on the fact that BMW will NOT name the coupe as an "M4" these same rumors were floating around back in 2007 before the E90/92 M3 was released.
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      07-18-2012, 08:53 PM   #100
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looking forward to more pics and details of this car. i still have my money on the fact that BMW will NOT name the coupe as an "M4" these same rumors were floating around back in 2007 before the E90/92 M3 was released.
Difference this time is that it's not just a flighty rumor like before the e92 came out. According to Scott26 they've already announced scale models labeled "F32 4 Series". So the M model will likely be an M4.

This is what he said earlier in this thread:

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      07-18-2012, 08:59 PM   #101
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M4 drivers rebadging to M3 = G35 drivers rebadging to Skyline
Oh shit. You just started something
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Yes everyone, get over it.

The power and the influence of the Chinese market is here to stay.


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      07-19-2012, 02:20 AM   #103
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M4 drivers rebadging to M3 = G35 drivers rebadging to Skyline
That analogy is really quite poor. The M3 and M3 will be more or less the same as the E90 and E92 M3's are today. That level of similarity is absolutely not present in a G35 and any Skyline.
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      07-19-2012, 05:32 AM   #104
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My guess is the M3 will be the four door and the M4 the 2 door..... heaven help BMW if the come out with a M estate to compete the Audi
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All these badge whores whiningabout the M3 badge. The real problem is the engine, not the badge.
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      07-19-2012, 06:58 AM   #106
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Doesn't look much smaller than the M5 beside it in one of the pictures...

Why do ALL mfg's "grow" ALL of their cars? I just don't get it...
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      07-19-2012, 07:23 AM   #107
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I'm thinking the 4 door is going to look much better than the 2 door which to me is the opposite of the e90/92.
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I bet you BMW will loose a lot of sale on the M4 unless they like the 4 door. It is stupid anyway that they changes the name.
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swamp, the G35/G37 actually were/are sold as Skylines in Japan. Indeed, the G37 as sold in the US is actually just a rebadged V35 Skyline. A quick Google search will show plenty of details about this if you are curious. This is exactly analogous to Toyota selling the Altezza as a (last generation) Lexus IS300 in the US. Other similar examples exist within Nissan/Infiniti and Toyota/Lexus model lineups. These companies built their luxury brands in the US (and elsewhere) largely on JDM models originally sold under the non-luxury parent brand.

What I am getting at here is that neither rebadge job will really be particularly more or less legitimate than the other. The Infiniti one "works" because of the regional marketing differences. The BMW one "works" for historic reasons. I put "works" in quotes because it is a matter of individual opinion whether rebadging like this is acceptable or not. I don't wish to comment or take sides on that at this juncture, not least because I don't want to pull the discussion off topic.

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That analogy is really quite poor. The M3 and M3 will be more or less the same as the E90 and E92 M3's are today. That level of similarity is absolutely not present in a G35 and any Skyline.
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To the OPP,

I spoke to BMW UK's Product Manager a few weeks ago and the engine configuration had not been released. Have you got any proof to back up your claim or is it just an educated guess?

Additionally I hope you are wrong on the steering being electric. BMW have never really understood how to make the hydraulic system have great feel like Lotus for example. And having tried the new electric steering on X3 and F28 it provides absolutely zero feel. The new M5 still uses hydraulic btw.

What is clear and has been for a number of years is that BMW M need to focus on removing the weight for improving driving dynamics, performance and lowering CO2 and not follow AMG down the ridiculous road of massive weight, huge power and a multitude of electronics to control it.

It seems that BMW M is finally learning. If it achieves a good weight reduction, coupled with good steering feel and real engine noise, it will be a winner. The new M5 has failed miserably on engine noise and sounds awful compared to the previous V10. Playing artificial sound through the speakers should not be entertained and goes against 'function over form' which used to be an M value.
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