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      09-17-2012, 11:35 PM   #265
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Bottom line is that M3 no longer has a unique engine.
M3 was not the only bmw model to use the V8 engine.
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      09-18-2012, 12:58 AM   #266
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M3 was not the only bmw model to use the V8 engine.
Yes it is. You're either hopelessly misinformed or trolling.
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The 330D has 560nm of torque
But its not offered in a manual transmission. And it might have similar torque figures to the new m3 but the HP figure will be off.
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      09-18-2012, 01:01 AM   #268
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I would say that the MT version will be for north american market only, just like the F10 M5. There was a link posted somewhere in the M5 section on an interview with one of the F10 M5 lead engineers indicating that they would prefer to spend the money into a more useful area elsewhere than developing an MT version for F10 M5... or something to that effect...
In an interview with a BMW spokes man he said that the M3 will always be offered in a manual trans and not only in the US.
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The 1M with a twin turbo hasnt really been a succes in terms of sales worldwide. I wonder how the $80K M3 with a similar engine will do in the US, especially if you can get a proper V8 Boss 302 LS for half the price?
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S65 Transplant To F30 M3/m4

Think about the current S65 in the next M3 with it's revised DCT, lighter weight, etc. If that sounds better to you than the turbo 6, then BMW has made a mistake with this new engine.

I'm tired of hearing the same "well people were complaining when M3 went to V8" etc etc...No, because at least they kept the same formula. High reving, high specific output NA engines. I don't care if they went to a damn NA V12 that was lighter, reved highed, and put down more power, we wouldn't complain about THAT evolutionary step.
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The 1M with a twin turbo hasnt really been a succes in terms of sales worldwide. I wonder how the $80K M3 with a similar engine will do in the US, especially if you can get a proper V8 Boss 302 LS for half the price?
How do you figure that the 1M wasn't a sales success? It sold out in every market it was offered, and asking prices for the few used models out there top out at the original sticker price.
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How do you figure that the 1M wasn't a sales success? It sold out in every market it was offered, and asking prices for the few used models out there top out at the original sticker price.
I was going to say the same thing. It was also lauded in all road tests. If a parts-bin M can get such rave reviews and be so popular I don't think we need worry for the forthcoming F80/2.
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Think about the current S65 in the next M3 with it's revised DCT, lighter weight, etc. If that sounds better to you than the turbo 6, then BMW has made a mistake with this new engine.

I'm tired of hearing the same "well people were complaining when M3 went to V8" etc etc...No, because at least they kept the same formula. High reving, high specific output NA engines. I don't care if they went to a damn NA V12 that was lighter, reved highed, and put down more power, we wouldn't complain about THAT evolutionary step.
No doubt I'd love to keep the V8 with a 10% power and economy hike. Alas, they've moved on from it. Hopefully rev-matching will remain unlike the M5.

By the way, what changes are there to the DCT? There first effort was so great I can only imagine how good the .2 will be.
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No doubt I'd love to keep the V8 with a 10% power and economy hike. Alas, they've moved on from it. Hopefully rev-matching will remain unlike the M5.

By the way, what changes are there to the DCT? There first effort was so great I can only imagine how good the .2 will be.
As far as DCT .2 goes, I've only heard rumors from this forum so here I am perpetuating the rumor. Maybe if we spread this rumor and accept it as fact BMW will be forced to comply.

But seriously, give us a lightweight GT3 esque version of the M3, charge $10,000 more, boost the power a bit and BMW will make lots of money while keeping me happy.
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The 1M with a twin turbo hasnt really been a succes in terms of sales worldwide. I wonder how the $80K M3 with a similar engine will do in the US, especially if you can get a proper V8 Boss 302 LS for half the price?
It has in the US, though, no?
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According to a wellinformed source, there will be a 480 hp twinturbo motor with a DCT tranny, the differential will be the same as the F10 M5.
it will be 120kg lighter then the e92.
If it is thrue i will order one as soon as it possible to do so
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      09-18-2012, 03:03 PM   #278
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How do you figure that the 1M wasn't a sales success? It sold out in every market it was offered, and asking prices for the few used models out there top out at the original sticker price.
Total demand for the car was low, world-wide. First, BMW said no more than 2,700, but then they relented and said they would make as many as were ordered, constrained by the tight line capacity at the Leipzig plant. The total world-wide run turned out to be something like 6,300 in 16 months.

The first 16 months of the E9X series M3s was on the order of 16,000. BMW planned to do 100,000 over the life of the E9X, though I don't know if they made it.

It's just an entirely different realm of demand. And I STILL wish I could have one of each.

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How do you figure that the 1M wasn't a sales success? It sold out in every market it was offered, and asking prices for the few used models out there top out at the original sticker price.
They sold about 60 "baby M's" a month in the US,comparr that to about 750 E9X M3's a month (around 9,000 units a year) in the US.
BMW built slightly less 1M's than the already low demands/orders. If you cut the production of the M3 by 20% or so in his first year based on demands and stop production for the next year,i think the E9X M3 will go for $10-15k over msrp.
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According to a wellinformed source, there will be a 480 hp twinturbo motor with a DCT tranny, the differential will be the same as the F10 M5.
it will be 120kg lighter then the e92.
If it is thrue i will order one as soon as it possible to do so
While I could well believe 480 ps (473bhp), I doubt they'll shave off 120kg as that's 265 pounds. I think it'll be more like 100 lbs or so given what we've heard about the lack of structural CF, but that's still a step in the right direction.

As goes horsepower, I do think it'll be more than 450 but they will need to make sure that, on paper at least, it's not as fast as an M5/6 in a straight line. That's why I expect more than 450bhp but less than 480. Of course on anything but an oval track it will demolish them, as always.

Regardless, I hope your source is correct as that would exceed expectations in a big way as regards numbers, and I'm sure the driving experience will stay true to M3 values.
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Even the Z3 and Z4 coupes made more, with a total of around 8,100.
Having owned a Z3 M Coupe, the total production was around 6,200. I've heard that Z4 M Coupe numbers were around 5,600 total. The 1M Coupe was right in line with both of these and exceeded initial sales expectations.
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The 1M with a twin turbo hasnt really been a succes in terms of sales worldwide.
What are you talking about?

The 1M was a limited production run, and BMW has extended the run because of the (non-expected) higher demand, and also the appraise for the car.
Production was stopped because the new 1-series model hit the market.
Get your facts straight please.
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You know the next C-class AMG will use the 5.5L twin turbo detuned.
Then they'll add a performance package for $7,000 to crank the boost to the E-class AMG levels and it'll be a rocket.
We'll have a pretty highly stress I6 to counter???


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No doubt I'd love to keep the V8 with a 10% power and economy hike. Alas, they've moved on from it. Hopefully rev-matching will remain unlike the M5.

By the way, what changes are there to the DCT? There first effort was so great I can only imagine how good the .2 will be.
A direct injectioned S65 could have gotten that and more.
Add a flat plane crank for a few more revs to produced more power and give a sexy Ferrari exhaust note... perfection.


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You know the next C-class AMG will use the 5.5L twin turbo detuned.
Then they'll add a performance package for $7,000 to crank the boost to the E-class AMG levels and it'll be a rocket.
We'll have a pretty highly stress I6 to counter???




A direct injectioned S65 could have gotten that and more.
Add a flat plane crank for a few more revs to produced more power and give a sexy Ferrari exhaust note... perfection.


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As goes the 5.5 vs 3.0, I hear you but what an engine is capable is down to a lot more than just displacement..... If it's already bored out to transparency, for instance. Supras and R34s are great examples of quality over quantity.

You're preaching to the choir as regards wanting to keep the S65. But it's not happening, so I'm getting into the mindset that 400+ lbs of twist and low end shove will make up for the noise deficiency and 600 or so lower revs. I think (and hope)the f8x will surprise a lot of the e9x crowd who are convinced it'll disappoint...
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Maybe it's the pilot in me constantly needing system data, but considering the diverse automotive backgrounds of the members here I'm surprised I haven't seen more conversations regarding instrumentation. If you've ever owned a GTR, Porsche, or Corvette you understand. I miss the Z06 instrumentation such oil temp, coolant temp, transmission fluid temp, and oil pressure. Give me that and boost px for both turbos.
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What are you talking about?

The 1M was a limited production run, and BMW has extended the run because of the (non-expected) higher demand, and also the appraise for the car.
Production was stopped because the new 1-series model hit the market.
Get your facts straight please.
Yes,they lifted the 2700 units cap yet they still sold about 60 baby m's a month in the US,compare that to about 750 M3's sold a month in the US. People voted with their wallets which M cars they like best.
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