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      08-12-2012, 01:51 PM   #23
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Your latter commentary is what BMW has been doing in the US, making the Auto/DCT as standard and "charging" for the manual- The E92 M3 being the counter to that but the M5 make the DCT standard as far as M cars (manual a no cost option) go and it seems like the F80 will follow in its footsteps.
I'm a bit confused. Has BMW been charging for a manual as an option? When I purchased my e90 m3 the manual was a no cost option (with DCT standard), and I'm pretty sure that's the case now for the 3 series, 5 series and M cars (that have a manual).
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I'm a bit confused. Has BMW been charging for a manual as an option? When I purchased my e90 m3 the manual was a no cost option (with DCT standard), and I'm pretty sure that's the case now for the 3 series, 5 series and M cars (that have a manual).
No, that's not what we're saying. BMW has never charged for the manual box. However, if you make it a no-charge option, then, in effect, you're being charged extra since you're paying for the DCT but "only" getting the manual.
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      08-12-2012, 11:13 PM   #25
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No, that's not what we're saying. BMW has never charged for the manual box. However, if you make it a no-charge option, then, in effect, you're being charged extra since you're paying for the DCT but "only" getting the manual.
Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, that's totally true. I thought about that when I made my purchase... would have been nice to get a discount for the manual.
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      09-08-2012, 01:40 PM   #26
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2013 M3 Sedan, No 6MT option?

Stopped by the BMW dealer this week and they said the new M3 Sedan, to be released late 2013, will only come with DCT. What's the likelihood of that? Are the 2011's the last to have a 6MT?

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      09-08-2012, 01:46 PM   #27
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I highly doubt that. The m3 is the m divisions bread and butter, and a lot of people choose manual. Having both, I regret the dct purchase. It takes forever to get going, and switching to reverse or drive takes forever. Not to mention the lack of smoothness pulling away in first and the occasional lag at the wrong time in traffic.
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BMW will be dropping the option of manual transmission in the next generation M5 & M6. However, they've stated that they'll retain the 6MT option for the next generation M3/4.
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MT will remain for M3 not M5 or M6

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m5/bmw...r-next-m5.html

I love that Biermann states "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,"

Now that is a real enthusiast
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      09-08-2012, 02:34 PM   #30
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I highly doubt that. The m3 is the m divisions bread and butter, and a lot of people choose manual. Having both, I regret the dct purchase. It takes forever to get going, and switching to reverse or drive takes forever. Not to mention the lack of smoothness pulling away in first and the occasional lag at the wrong time in traffic.
Did you ever compare your 135 DCT with a DCT equipped M3 ?

Apparently the DCT in non-M models is programmed to behave more like a standard automatic rather than being programmed to be closer to a manual like in the M3.
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      09-08-2012, 09:16 PM   #31
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Stopped by the BMW dealer this week and they said the new M3 Sedan, to be released late 2013, will only come with DCT. What's the likelihood of that? Are the 2011's the last to have a 6MT?

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Stories of no manual have picked up steam recently but conflict with statements made by M Division earlier this year that there would be a 6MT offered like there is for the F10 M5. Minor point, it will be a 2014 not a 2013.
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      09-08-2012, 11:37 PM   #32
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      09-24-2012, 01:53 AM   #33
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i hate bmw's m divisions new direction. Motorsport?
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I don't see the 6MT lasting through the full life of the F8x. They dropped the third pedal in the M5/6 without much remorse.
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like others have stated there will be a MT option at launch. How long that will last I am not sure but I would think and hope through the cycle of the series. If not that would most def be a bummer seeing that I personally am a rower of the gears.

Also release date is shooting for sometime in 2014
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I don't see the 6MT lasting through the full life of the F8x. They dropped the third pedal in the M5/6 without much remorse.
I thought you could order the current m5 in traditional manual still ?
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I thought you could order the current m5 in traditional manual still ?
You can...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=JrdR_0fBx0s#!
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excellent... sucks they dumped it for the 13 650s though
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I don't see the 6MT lasting through the full life of the F8x. They dropped the third pedal in the M5/6 without much remorse.
M3/M4 is a completely different segment than M5/M6. Plus why wouldn't it last through the entire cycle? It's not like they'll drop MT during FL.
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MT will remain for M3 not M5 or M6

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m5/bmw...r-next-m5.html

I love that Biermann states "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,"

Now that is a real enthusiast
I love that quote.
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      09-24-2012, 12:52 PM   #41
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Scroll through the F80 M3 spy photos compilation and you'll see manual transmission in one of the earlier sightings. That should give you an answer

Spy photos @ http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602770
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A manual transmission will still be offered for the upcoming M3/M4.
The M-DCT which will come from the M5 will be reconfigured to suit the more sporting M3 so expect quicker shifts.

The next generation of the M5/M6 especially when they resort to the same genetic mix of CFRP and aluminium for the next 7er which will filter down the ranges and the of course next 5er and 6er which will be entirely beneficial for the M models will not be offered with manual transmission.

The M3/M4 sister car X4M will not be offered with a manual transmission as they do not sell in SAV's. Neither will the next generation X5M and X6M.
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MT will remain for M3 not M5 or M6

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m5/bmw...r-next-m5.html

I love that Biermann states "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,"

Now that is a real enthusiast
Is this from the same company that said the M's will always be NA?
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MT will remain for M3 not M5 or M6

http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m5/bmw...r-next-m5.html

I love that Biermann states "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift,"

Now that is a real enthusiast
Your forgetting how annoyed he got about having to make a MT for this M5. That isn't an enthusiast. Thats a salesman.
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