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      11-24-2012, 03:59 PM   #45
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I wonder how difficult a swap would be.
VS Motorsport can convert an SMG transmission to a Manual. The transmissions are both the same just a few pieces that are different ( SMG has hydraulic pump, Manual has clutch pedal and shifter etc) but the transmissions are both identicial. You only need to machine the smg bell housing and insert the necessary parts from the manual and update the software so that the car recognize's that it is now a manual.
http://www.vsmotorsports.com/item--S...ual_Parts.html
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      11-24-2012, 05:48 PM   #46
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He's very right about it being a shame that the CSL didn't come in a MT..
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If it did, it would probably be my favorite BMW of all time. But since it isn't, the E9 3.0 CSL holds that position.
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      11-24-2012, 08:20 PM   #47
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From the comments, it would appear that mostly, the best M is the one you own.
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      11-24-2012, 08:53 PM   #48
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Steve is correct in everything he says. I may not be able to agree with him on the E30 front (never been in one) and I disagree with the slander of the SMG (I think it's great!) but he's right when it comes down to what the M3 should be. The M3 needs to be a light, and powerful machine. The CSL had 350 HP or so and at the time it was deemed an engineering masterpiece.

The E46 M3 is nimble, high revving, and a screaming beast of a car. The E92, while an amazing car too, was just too heavy. It's so unfortunate that BMW released such a masterpiece of an engine and housed it around a huge body that weighs a lot.

Honestly, I don't ever see myself selling my E46 M3. If I get the upcoming F30 M3, I might just treat my E46 as an everyday car - it's that good and comfortable. But I get the feeling that BMW will be asking for too much whilst upgrading insignificantly (or not upgrading enough to keep up with the competition). At the moment, I'm leaning towards a used GTR and keeping my E46 M3 as an everyday car.
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      11-24-2012, 10:00 PM   #49
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Actually Dave is closer to what the actually specs will be. Jason has shared multiple times here that the Hp will be 'about the same' as the current M3(414hp) while the Tq will see a +100lb increase bringing it closer to 400. The weight will be lighter but how much is the million dollar question. BMW could make it a mere 150-200lbs lighter and be able to advertise the new M3 as "lighter, faster and more powerful", even though the Hp will be the same.

And you guys already hailing the M2 as the new king, think again. It will be a great entry level M car but I doubt it will even fill the big shoes of the 1M. We already know it will be a 4cylinder which will come up short to the extremely underrated N54t found in the 1M. The weight of the 1M which was already closer to the E46 will be hard to achieve in the M4 as well.
Well, It has been shared that hp will be about 450 aswell. Of course torque is getting higher.. The m4 will get a bump in power, this is what they say in europe. They wanna sell these cars and more power is selling. I think Steve has his sources aswell.
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      11-25-2012, 01:31 PM   #50
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Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos.

What? So you don't like your E92 N54? I love mine! In daily usage, it actually performs better than the E46M. But yeah, it's pretty heavy.
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What? So you don't like your E92 N54? I love mine! In daily usage, it actually performs better than the E46M. But yeah, it's pretty heavy.
No, i love the power. Just not the size, open differential, suspension, weight...
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      11-25-2012, 04:16 PM   #52
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Nice video.

I'm happy I ordered a 3 door M135i and got rid of my F30 boat going back to //M basics more or less.
I owned an E46 M3 from 2002-2004 and an E90 M3 from 2008-2010. The first one being the much nicer car for sure.

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      11-25-2012, 04:29 PM   #53
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I 've driven the E30 M3 a few times and though it has a nice steering etc it's way too slow for todays standards. The CSL is a masterpiece, but where is the GTS mr. Sutcliffe? Too expensive for its performance you say? My dealer still has one for sale
http://www.debeier.nl/bmw/auto/BMW/3...S%20M-DCT/5637

If you testdrive a 1M you don't know how fast you have to get rid of your E9x M3 tbh...
Bonkers car.Fantastic. I almost bought this one instead of the M135i:
http://www.debeier.nl/bmw/auto/BMW/1...oup%C3%A9/5784

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I love every version of the M3 and I'm sure I'll love the new one too.

I don't like the name "M4" however.

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I really like Steve Sutcliffe. Chris Harris and him both have a sense of honesty in their reviews that few in the industry have.
Agree No B/S. And I think he's on the money here. Of course, I'd still like to keep the V8 (was lighter than prior 6) and turbo it. Remove 150 kgs. Work on steering.
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However, the video states that the US market received the CSL with a manual..I wish! We received the Competition Package, which had some of the CSL goodies. Thankfully, this car was available with a manual, but it was not a CSL.
Right. The US never got the CSL. Still, the CS is a great car and in MT ....

Still a travesty that the E9x has not been offered in true CS/L form. Instead we have "frozen" this and that - bah! And the 'Lime Rock' edn is no CSL.
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E46 CSL was a great car, an enthusiast M3!
Like the GTS is for E92.
So expect the F80 to be something like the E92 M3, but with a couple of turbo's, which makes it more easy as a daily driver.
Basicly it will be like the translation from E60 M5, to the F10 M5.
Again we should see a lighter car, not significant since the CF program isn't fully up yet, slightly more power, and about 30% more torque than the current M3.
But the 1M is where things are looking more exciting.
Remember M3 started with E30, a small nimble car, the M3 have grown out of this segment imo.
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My problem with the E90 M3 6MT was the lack of torque(feel) @ normal revs(3000-5000) in normal traffic. It simply didn't feel really fast at those enginespeeds also because the E9x M3 isn't a lightweight either.

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It looks like someone spun the E30 M3 at this point in the film.
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Right. The US never got the CSL. Still, the CS is a great car and in MT ....

Still a travesty that the E9x has not been offered in true CS/L form. Instead we have "frozen" this and that - bah! And the 'Lime Rock' edn is no CSL.
But they did offer a lightweight model sedan:

BMW M3 CRT Lightweight Sedan with 450hp @ 3,483 Pounds







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Well, It has been shared that hp will be about 450 aswell. Of course torque is getting higher.. The m4 will get a bump in power, this is what they say in europe. They wanna sell these cars and more power is selling. I think Steve has his sources aswell.
That was the early estimate..here is the latest estimate.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602770

"More powerful than current M3

approximately same HP, but around 100 lb-ft more torque (in range of 395 lb-ft) (source)"
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That was the early estimate..here is the latest estimate.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602770

"More powerful than current M3

approximately same HP, but around 100 lb-ft more torque (in range of 395 lb-ft) (source)"
Ok, I have heard about 450 in europe from sources aswell. But we will have to wait. I have a hard time beliving it will be the same. All m-models have got an bump in hp. The new m5 getting at least 60 more, I think it tells something.
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That's why I'm never selling my E46 M3. To me it's the best one yet
Nice car but do you really drive around with a red tow hook on the street? Or does it actually see track time?
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How about all us drivers lose weight =D
I'm so tired of that response to the weight gain of cars.

Between the e30 and the e9X the M3 gained 800+ lbs. Are you that fat that you can compensate for 800 lbs by losing weight?
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Now can we have the CSL steering feel back (if not the E30) in the next M3, thank you...

Probably impossible, considering its confirmed the next M3 will have electric steering rack vs hydraulic...
Source? I've not seen that electric steering is confirmed.
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