BMW F80 M3 to Run on E85 Ethanol, or So Thinks Its Test Driver. Doh!

[bastiN54]

What? E98 with a Blue handle in Germany??? Maybe at Aral
Never saw that at Shell or Esso

[MrRager]

Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

that stuff will eat seals. can you say hpfp failure.

you've never been to the N54 forum on e90 post have you?

[bulldog x6]

warranty voided

[DASHOCKER]

Originally Posted by MrRager

you've never been to the N54 forum on e90 post have you?

lol.. how long have i been a member? hell, what ia an n54?

[Holset]

Originally Posted by macadam

Blue = E75 in winter and E85 in summer.
Green = 95 octane with 5-15%(?) ethanol blend in it.

It would be awesome if it would run on E85! It does have lower energycontent compared to regular fuel but ignition can be optimized alot more. You normally reach MBT-timing without knock!

Correct up here in Sweden they change from summer E85 blend to winter E75 blend although i dont know the exact time when they change.

No ethanol in Statoils 98 octane unlike their 95 octane according to this document: http://www3.statoil.com/MNE/SVG02326...2?OpenDocument but that may have changed by know this document is from 2009.

[Morning Hawk]

Who cares about ethanol. Make the next M3/M4 out of diesel! That would be awesome..!!!

[silentassasin]

It would be cool if this is a factory engine running on 85 ethanol. It is also funny if he simply Fu$$ed up.

[STi_traitor]

Originally Posted by macadam

It would be awesome if it would run on E85! It does have lower energycontent compared to regular fuel but ignition can be optimized alot more. You normally reach MBT-timing without knock!

+1

[M135]

Did the witness stay long enough to see it as a whole tank? I put 4 gallons of e85 in first, then fill with 93. Maybe the paparazzi that follow me think I fill it with e85 too :-)

[X5dforme]

Yes BMW is testing E85 varients. IL is pushing E85 and B20 use for vehicles. There are 4 states that are on board with this, and IL wants these new laws to be in effect around 2015/2016. Do some research, you can read more about it. BMW may be planning E85 engines as an ordered option in the future. Just spoke to a friend of mine in product planning at BMW as this is what he shared with me.

[P1et]

The man in the picture is also wearing two different kinds of shoes.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by mhabs

Wouldn't potentially running on E85 (at least as a map flex/fuel), be completely in-line with BMW's focus on improving emissions? Seems that at least exploring the use of E85 is within the realm of plausability.

+1 ... I AGREE...

THANKS for clear thinking as opposed to just being slack jawed at the site of an E85 pump handle in a BMW

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by rado

So why didn't the "astute witness" just ask the test driver if he was intentionally filling with E85? Even if the test driver didn't want to answer the question, it would likely be obvious from his reaction whether it was intentional or not.

LOL.. because it's so much easier for the " Astute witness" to just take photos from all sides and then get back in the car with the driver and go back to the... BMW facility.. ... oopps... did I say that?

[M.Suka]

Did the guy forget what side the tank was on, also two different shoes on, this guy most had a really bad hangover!

[pkim1079]

Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

that stuff will eat seals. can you say hpfp failure.

With the proper materials it wont eat through. Evo ix seemed to have material that didnt corode while the evo x did.

[pkim1079]

Anyone else loving that the front bumper looks more like the e46 than todays msport or m stock bumper with the sad face in front with side burns hanging lower than the chin? Lol.

[btv764]

A High resolution photo from Poland....assuming the colors are the same throughout Europe.

[fuddman]

If you scroll down in this article, you'll see that BMW will void your warranty if you use this fuel in your car. Now whether the later versions cars can use it or not is, perhaps, another story.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE

[Dieselmd]

Sweden together with Brazil have been the longest consumers of E85 so maybe they know something we don't. I hope BMW offer the new M3 as a Flex-Fuel vehicle.

[BMWJ]

Farmers lobby is very strong in the US, that is why we use it, I would assume similar in Brazil as well, not sure about Sweden.

[A L I A S]

there seem to be quite a few misconceptions in this thread about e85, and ethonal in general. having dealt with e85 for quite some time now, i'll share with you what i have learned.

*e85 means 85% pure ethanol
*ethanol at the end of the day is grain alcohal (not sutable for drinking)
*alcohal is an oxygenated fuel
*oxygen corrodes aluminum and rusts steel
*alcohal based fuels have an extremely high knock resistance (octane rating)
*because alcohal based fuels have tons of oxygen in them they burn very rapidly(takes more to make the same power)
*while it DOES take more ethanol to make the same power as petrol, it does have much greater knock resistance SG(spacific gravity) and oxygen content making it a great race fuel!
*the only reason you cant run e85 in non flex fuel cars is because you will max out the fuel injectors run lean and damage the engine.
*since e85 is oxygenated it runs VERY VERY cold(which means cooler IAT's cooler cylinder temp, cooler everything (cooler means more power))
*yes sometimes a car on e85 can be difficult to cold start when its cold outside
*yes your fuel economy goes down because its burning more fuel
*no your fuel lines, fuel pump, fuel rail, o rings, injectors, engine, doors, neighbors cat wont melt if you run ethanol for an extended period of time. (just be sure after a few tanks full of ethanol fill it up with petrol once to flush out the ethanol.
*no you will not damage anything if you accidently fill up with ethanol in a non flex fuel car AS LONG AS YOU DRIVE UNDER LOW KNOCK CONDITIONS(meaning dont go driving like a doucher or flooring it, you WILL max out your injectors and run lean)
*yes i hope the new M3 is flex fuel so they can turn up the boost from the factory!!!

i currently run e85 right out of the pump in my honda drag car making 653 hp at 22 lbs of b0ost 1.9l gsr motor. e85 is about $3.25 a gallon while vp race fuels Q16 is about $14 a gallon....YOU DO THE MATH

thanks post,
merry xmas
-mike

[Uli_HH]

Simple question:

Could an E85 flex fuel mapping simply help to bring the S65 (an modified S65Tü?) below EU6 Emission per KM rules ... needed to bring the S65 into the new F8x M3/M4 ???