415hp S55 Powered F80 M3 / F82 M4 Revealed via BMW VIN?! - Page 3

Rich@GTBPerformance · 01-30-2013, 04:25 PM

I wouldn't be too disappointed in the power output being near identical to the S65 folks. The usable torque band on this car is going to make it a monster at highway acceleration without downshifting. Not to mention a right hoot to kick the tail out in.

My estimation : This engine feels like a Corvette LS3, and I'm okay with that!

DiavelM3 · 01-30-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich@GTBPerformance

I wouldn't be too disappointed in the power output being near identical to the S65 folks. The usable torque band on this car is going to make it a monster at highway acceleration without downshifting. Not to mention a right hoot to kick the tail out in.

My estimation : This engine feels like a Corvette LS3, and I'm okay with that!

Especially with E46 M3 target weight!

I can't wait

car7 · 01-30-2013, 04:33 PM

I am having a really hard time believing it would only have 415 hp. It would certainly hurt sales and with a 3 liter turbo 450 hp shouldnt be an problem. It would be a lot more desirable. Im gonna beliave the 450 hp rumors in europe instead untill im convinced

ZooMMM · 01-30-2013, 04:33 PM

It's bound to be better. They're not that silly.

Rich@GTBPerformance · 01-30-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DiavelM3

Especially with E46 M3 target weight!

I can't wait

Precisely!

pkim1079 · 01-30-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.

ATX78703 · 01-30-2013, 04:39 PM

i'm not so much worried about the hp staying the same if they actually drop 200+ lbs. but how are they going to get to 3400, when the 335i is 3500?

ATX78703 · 01-30-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.

+1

yet time and time again, lesser-powered ///M's have beaten amg's on all tracks, all drivers, all car mags.....

BlackJetE90 · 01-30-2013, 04:43 PM

Since the F30 is already lighter to begin with. I would be surprised if they could shave off 100 lbs max off the F30 335i. The 335i comes in at 3,550 lbs. I know people keep screaming carbon fiber this and that. But honestly it is not going to add up to the weight savings some think. For instance, the current M3's carbon roof only saves 11 lbs over a standard none sunroof M3. Replacing the aluminum hood with a carbon piece would net maybe ~10 lbs. Guess I am being a realist, trying to figure where exactly this massive diet is coming from.

BlackJetE90 · 01-30-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ATX78703

+1

yet time and time again, lesser-powered ///M's have beaten amg's on all tracks, all drivers, all car mags.....

To be honest that trend is no longer happening. I believe with you 100%, in that past that has been a true statement. But comparos as of late, BMW's have not been taking the win. In some instances they are getting last place. Those comparos just are not posted on the front page of this website.

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Originally Posted by Rich@GTBPerformance

My estimation : This engine feels like a Corvette LS3, and I'm okay with that!

I have never driven a turbo engine that felt like an LS3. Now that would be a first.

Bubbles · 01-30-2013, 04:54 PM

I hope they get the cooling system down. My N54 was always great for making eggs at the track between sessions.

Cl0ud7 · 01-30-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

To be honest that trend is no longer happening. I believe with you 100%, in that past that has been a true statement. But comparos as of late, BMW's have not been taking the win. In some instances they are getting last place. Those comparos just are not posted on the front page of this website.

+1

Some people would rather be ignorant to the truth...

Zebra99 · 01-30-2013, 05:07 PM

So much bs speculation lmao, but hey I guess that's why people have forums lol...

I'd be happy to see 415hp/395trq and at the targeted weight. The at would be an absolute beast easily putting down a low 12s pass on the 1/4.

On the other hand it's likely more realistic that hp to wheels will be a little higher than current M3, but that weight will be a max of 100lbs lost.

They'd literally have to make half the cars parts in CF to shave 300lbs. Doors, panels, fenders, hood, roof and trunk. What they should focus on for the future is the frame of the vehicle and making the majority of construction in CF.

Alas, I can't afford a $90k sticker anyways haha. So this is all a dream for me only to be made reality when the car is used and in the market for 3-4yrs.

weixp386 · 01-30-2013, 05:09 PM

100lbft torque more!!! Cant wait

Diver · 01-30-2013, 05:23 PM

Looks interesting.

dreamspeed · 01-30-2013, 05:30 PM

Let's be realistic people, BMW is not going to release the next M3/M4 with the same amount of horse power as the current gen.

I'm guessing a minimum of +25hp a long with the torque increase

mdosu · 01-30-2013, 05:32 PM

the turbo engine will yield greater power from tuning. This car will be pack a punch with a "light" tune.

You won't get that from the S65B40

Bluesummer · 01-30-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfer

Last weekend a group of us hit the dyno and someone brought a 1M. With full exhaust and no tune it put down 330s HP and 370 TQ on a low reading dyno, matching all 3 M3s in HP and destroying them in TQ. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same engine in the new M3 which would be disappointing in that we wouldn't see a new engine, but the 1M engine is nothing to cry about.

I guess you've never owned a tuned N54

motorsport_cat · 01-30-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ATX78703

i'm not so much worried about the hp staying the same if they actually drop 200+ lbs. but how are they going to get to 3400, when the 335i is 3500?

The platform they will be building the M3/M4 is completely different from the F30/F32. It is the F80/F82 platform. It will be significantly less heavier.

amdmaxx · 01-30-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

Ats-v!

sensi09 · 01-30-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Since the F30 is already lighter to begin with. I would be surprised if they could shave off 100 lbs max off the F30 335i. The 335i comes in at 3,550 lbs. I know people keep screaming carbon fiber this and that. But honestly it is not going to add up to the weight savings some think. For instance, the current M3's carbon roof only saves 11 lbs over a standard none sunroof M3. Replacing the aluminum hood with a carbon piece would net maybe ~10 lbs. Guess I am being a realist, trying to figure where exactly this massive diet is coming from.

+1

I was going to say something similar. After DCT, a locking diff, bigger brakes, a stiffer chassis.....I don't see it coming in lighter than a 335i.

Unless the F32 is substantially lighter than the F30, I don't see 3400lbs as being a reality.

Now if they targeted a lighter car to limit any weight gain of a new car, but end up falling a bit short, I'm fine with that.

Rich@GTBPerformance · 01-30-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.

Yep.

BMW's are more than just power.

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car7 New Member Drives: bmw Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 18 iTrader: (0)	I am having a really hard time believing it would only have 415 hp. It would certainly hurt sales and with a 3 liter turbo 450 hp shouldnt be an problem. It would be a lot more desirable. Im gonna beliave the 450 hp rumors in europe instead untill im convinced

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BlackJetE90 Major Drives: E90 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: e90 Posts: 1,415 iTrader: (0)	Since the F30 is already lighter to begin with. I would be surprised if they could shave off 100 lbs max off the F30 335i. The 335i comes in at 3,550 lbs. I know people keep screaming carbon fiber this and that. But honestly it is not going to add up to the weight savings some think. For instance, the current M3's carbon roof only saves 11 lbs over a standard none sunroof M3. Replacing the aluminum hood with a carbon piece would net maybe ~10 lbs. Guess I am being a realist, trying to figure where exactly this massive diet is coming from.

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Zebra99 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2008 335i E93 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,996 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 BMW 335i E93 [5.00]	So much bs speculation lmao, but hey I guess that's why people have forums lol... I'd be happy to see 415hp/395trq and at the targeted weight. The at would be an absolute beast easily putting down a low 12s pass on the 1/4. On the other hand it's likely more realistic that hp to wheels will be a little higher than current M3, but that weight will be a max of 100lbs lost. They'd literally have to make half the cars parts in CF to shave 300lbs. Doors, panels, fenders, hood, roof and trunk. What they should focus on for the future is the frame of the vehicle and making the majority of construction in CF. Alas, I can't afford a $90k sticker anyways haha. So this is all a dream for me only to be made reality when the car is used and in the market for 3-4yrs.

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weixp386 Enlisted Member Drives: 2013 328i Silver Sport 6MT & Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 42 iTrader: (0)	100lbft torque more!!! Cant wait

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