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      08-02-2014, 04:21 PM   #1
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September Road & Track E80 vs E30 Group A

Just got my September issue of Road & Track. It has a great (8-page) article about a comparison between an E30 M3 Group A racer and the new M3. It was done at Mid Ohio. It is a good article and there are some surprises.

The closing paragraph really sums it up:

"Could BMW make a car like the E30 again? Of course. Is it likely to? The world is too different. But while the E30's monument didn't last, the takeaway did: The new M3 is raw, angry, and genuinely special. And for that, we should be grateful."
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      08-02-2014, 05:05 PM   #3
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Excellent - thanks!

Two takeaways:

1- it hit 0-60 in 3.9 with an MT (!!!)

2 - this quote
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Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
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It had a DCT
The car in the review did but the first note on the test results page said the test results were with a manual.
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The car in the review did but the first note on the test results page said the test results were with a manual.
Yep, I saw that before your post and deleted my post about being a DCT.
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Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
It was a stick so DCT should be a bit quicker.
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Yep, I saw that before your post and deleted my post about being a DCT.
Ha! I was too quick then....
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Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
It's a significant outlier. Not even on the low side just a flat out weird outlier. Maybe an editing error?
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Editor error? for real?
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It was a stick so DCT should be a bit quicker.
+1, 7DCT shifts faster than a human and likely has less boost loss during upshifting, enough to make a difference in trap speeds. However, 115mph is nothing to sneeze at, its still great!
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+1, 7DCT shifts faster than a human and likely has less boost loss during upshifting, enough to make a difference in trap speeds. However, 115mph is nothing to sneeze at, its still great!
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Best review of this car I have read yet. Love reading the history of the E30 every time somebody writes it, but this was perfectly woven into a review of the F8x. Bravo Sam.

Quote of the article:
"...while the coupe appears workaday mean, the sedan looks like ready to punch your mother."
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Great article and comparison of old vs. new. The author did take the opportinuity to zing the auto rev-match:

"A six-speed manual will be standard, complete with automatic rev-matching for people that are incapable of learning a simple and rewarding skill and who should probably stay on the couch."

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the limiting factor is again the tires. this car need psc2's from the factory. god hurry up truck and get my car in already. !!!
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looking forward to a test with a racing prepped M4 to see the change in numbers. Nevertheless still an impressive showing for a full on race car modded e-30 and glad to see poster comments are keeping this in perspective. Great read!
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the limiting factor is again the tires. this car need psc2's from the factory. god hurry up truck and get my car in already. !!!
That would make for some hairy daily driving, especially on a wet, waterlogged interstate.

For inexperienced drivers, that would most definitely result in a wreck and probably sooner rather than later.
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Nice read. Good balance of history and review.

I want an E30 M3 (pristine, of course) History, nostalgia

M3>>M4 in the looks department?? I'm set on the coupe, but... ...
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