BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > BMW M3 (F80) and BMW M4 (F82) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-02-2014, 04:21 PM   #1
SakhirM4
Major General
SakhirM4's Avatar
United_States
4225
Rep
6,333
Posts

Drives: '15 SO M4/'01 Dinan Z3 3.0
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
September Road & Track E80 vs E30 Group A

Just got my September issue of Road & Track. It has a great (8-page) article about a comparison between an E30 M3 Group A racer and the new M3. It was done at Mid Ohio. It is a good article and there are some surprises.

The closing paragraph really sums it up:

"Could BMW make a car like the E30 again? Of course. Is it likely to? The world is too different. But while the E30's monument didn't last, the takeaway did: The new M3 is raw, angry, and genuinely special. And for that, we should be grateful."
__________________
President, Tejas Chapter, BMW CCA, mem #23915 www.tejaschapter.org
2015 ///M4, SO/full black, 6MT, HK, light 19"

Last edited by SakhirM4; 08-02-2014 at 05:08 PM.
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 04:33 PM   #2
(((myzmak)))
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
(((myzmak)))'s Avatar
Canada
3976
Rep
6,759
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [5.00]
Scans Please!
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 05:05 PM   #3
SakhirM4
Major General
SakhirM4's Avatar
United_States
4225
Rep
6,333
Posts

Drives: '15 SO M4/'01 Dinan Z3 3.0
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by myzmak View Post
Scans Please!
Here you go:

Name:  rt-m3-pg1.jpg
Views: 1489
Size:  191.6 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg2.jpg
Views: 1510
Size:  248.1 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg3.jpg
Views: 1474
Size:  311.3 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg4.jpg
Views: 1461
Size:  223.4 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg5.jpg
Views: 1515
Size:  182.5 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg6.jpg
Views: 1506
Size:  253.3 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg7.jpg
Views: 1482
Size:  229.5 KB
Name:  rt-m3-pg8.jpg
Views: 1488
Size:  313.0 KB
__________________
President, Tejas Chapter, BMW CCA, mem #23915 www.tejaschapter.org
2015 ///M4, SO/full black, 6MT, HK, light 19"
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 05:21 PM   #4
(((myzmak)))
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
(((myzmak)))'s Avatar
Canada
3976
Rep
6,759
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [5.00]
Excellent - thanks!

Two takeaways:

1- it hit 0-60 in 3.9 with an MT (!!!)

2 - this quote
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 05:51 PM   #5
CSanto
Colonel
321
Rep
2,921
Posts

Drives: 2015 BSM/SO M3
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New York

iTrader: (3)

Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 05:58 PM   #6
(((myzmak)))
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
(((myzmak)))'s Avatar
Canada
3976
Rep
6,759
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcconn535 View Post
It had a DCT
The car in the review did but the first note on the test results page said the test results were with a manual.
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 06:01 PM   #7
SakhirM4
Major General
SakhirM4's Avatar
United_States
4225
Rep
6,333
Posts

Drives: '15 SO M4/'01 Dinan Z3 3.0
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by myzmak View Post
The car in the review did but the first note on the test results page said the test results were with a manual.
Yep, I saw that before your post and deleted my post about being a DCT.
__________________
President, Tejas Chapter, BMW CCA, mem #23915 www.tejaschapter.org
2015 ///M4, SO/full black, 6MT, HK, light 19"
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 06:03 PM   #8
(((myzmak)))
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
(((myzmak)))'s Avatar
Canada
3976
Rep
6,759
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSanto View Post
Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
It was a stick so DCT should be a bit quicker.
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 06:04 PM   #9
(((myzmak)))
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
(((myzmak)))'s Avatar
Canada
3976
Rep
6,759
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcconn535 View Post
Yep, I saw that before your post and deleted my post about being a DCT.
Ha! I was too quick then....
Appreciate 0
      08-02-2014, 06:21 PM   #10
JoeFromPA
Colonel
819
Rep
2,674
Posts

Drives: '15 AW M3 6MT Stripper
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSanto View Post
Anyone upset at the Quarter Mile Trap speed?
It's a significant outlier. Not even on the low side just a flat out weird outlier. Maybe an editing error?
Appreciate 0
      08-03-2014, 07:17 PM   #11
FogCityM3
Colonel
FogCityM3's Avatar
327
Rep
2,383
Posts

Drives: M3 (E90) & Shelby GT350R
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

Editor error? for real?
Appreciate 0
      08-03-2014, 08:56 PM   #12
spool twice
Rainbow Racer
spool twice's Avatar
United_States
51
Rep
1,306
Posts

Drives: S65B40
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sarasota, FL

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by myzmak View Post
It was a stick so DCT should be a bit quicker.
+1, 7DCT shifts faster than a human and likely has less boost loss during upshifting, enough to make a difference in trap speeds. However, 115mph is nothing to sneeze at, its still great!
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2014, 02:23 PM   #13
GrussGott
Major General
GrussGott's Avatar
United_States
6313
Rep
7,520
Posts

Drives: Mondstein F83
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Newport Beach

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 E93 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spool twice View Post
+1, 7DCT shifts faster than a human and likely has less boost loss during upshifting, enough to make a difference in trap speeds. However, 115mph is nothing to sneeze at, its still great!
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
I thought the next M4 was going to be a flying car powered by bloomin' onions and a teaspoon of mayonnaise. At least that's what I read on the internet @ BimmerPoop.org.
Appreciate 0
      08-04-2014, 03:55 PM   #14
signes
Brigadier General
signes's Avatar
United_States
118
Rep
4,292
Posts

Drives: 991 GT3 RS
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Living at (almost...) 9k

iTrader: (5)

Best review of this car I have read yet. Love reading the history of the E30 every time somebody writes it, but this was perfectly woven into a review of the F8x. Bravo Sam.

Quote of the article:
"...while the coupe appears workaday mean, the sedan looks like ready to punch your mother."
__________________
GT3 RS | Desperately seeking the next great M car...
Appreciate 0
      08-07-2014, 12:49 PM   #15
M3 Esq
Automobilist
M3 Esq's Avatar
United_States
202
Rep
2,534
Posts

Drives: 911, X5, M235i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CT

iTrader: (9)

Great article and comparison of old vs. new. The author did take the opportinuity to zing the auto rev-match:

"A six-speed manual will be standard, complete with automatic rev-matching for people that are incapable of learning a simple and rewarding skill and who should probably stay on the couch."

Appreciate 0
      08-07-2014, 01:09 PM   #16
karussell
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
141
Rep
1,658
Posts

Drives: 4 wheels
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: GA

iTrader: (1)

the limiting factor is again the tires. this car need psc2's from the factory. god hurry up truck and get my car in already. !!!
__________________
"It gave you amazing satisfaction, but anyone who says he loved it is either a liar or he wasn't going fast enough." - Jackie Stewart on racing at the Nurburgring
Appreciate 0
      08-07-2014, 01:40 PM   #17
Suave
Major
Suave's Avatar
United_States
134
Rep
1,444
Posts

Drives: GT4 and M2 in progress
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA

iTrader: (0)

looking forward to a test with a racing prepped M4 to see the change in numbers. Nevertheless still an impressive showing for a full on race car modded e-30 and glad to see poster comments are keeping this in perspective. Great read!
__________________
201X ???? Coming soon
2015 F80 M3 AW/SO - Going Going Gone!
Appreciate 0
      08-07-2014, 01:44 PM   #18
ybbiz34
Moderator
ybbiz34's Avatar
447
Rep
4,948
Posts

Drives: 2013 C63 AMG Sedan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by karussell View Post
the limiting factor is again the tires. this car need psc2's from the factory. god hurry up truck and get my car in already. !!!
That would make for some hairy daily driving, especially on a wet, waterlogged interstate.

For inexperienced drivers, that would most definitely result in a wreck and probably sooner rather than later.
__________________
'13 Iridium Silver C63 AMG Sedan (540 hp; 500 lb-ft)
Review of F82 M4: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008143
Appreciate 0
      08-07-2014, 02:30 PM   #19
RocketBoots
Lieutenant Colonel
RocketBoots's Avatar
United_States
811
Rep
1,677
Posts

Drives: Horse Drawn Carriage
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Nice read. Good balance of history and review.

I want an E30 M3 (pristine, of course) History, nostalgia

M3>>M4 in the looks department?? I'm set on the coupe, but... ...
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:21 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST