BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > BMW M3 (F80) and BMW M4 (F82) General Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      12-02-2014, 11:41 AM   #1
smedin
Second Lieutenant
smedin's Avatar
10
Rep
223
Posts

Drives: 2015 F80 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Twin Cities, MN

iTrader: (0)

Car & Driver Long-Term test. This should be interesting.

New gen intro: Hate... Love... Repeat.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review
__________________
F80 6MT. In full color.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 01:03 PM   #2
damnitBobby
Lieutenant
17
Rep
407
Posts

Drives: '07 Nissan 350Z 6MT
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Houston

iTrader: (0)

no comment on the carbon ceramics in the article at all
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 01:05 PM   #3
KennyPowers
Brigadier General
154
Rep
4,896
Posts

Drives: .....
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gulf Coast

iTrader: (13)

personally, I find it hard to justify paying 82k for an m3 regardless of the options

horrible representation of the m3, and the value it CAN provide to a buyer

regardless, seems like C and D isn't a fan of the new m, and that's ok. will be interesting to see how or if their impressions change in a positive or negative way
__________________
2015 M3 6MT
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 01:08 PM   #4
minn19
Captain
minn19's Avatar
United_States
73
Rep
765
Posts

Drives: M3 MW/SO & X1 28i xDrive
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Minnesota

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyPowers View Post
personally, I find it hard to justify paying 82k for an m3 regardless of the options

horrible representation of the m3, and the value it CAN provide to a buyer

regardless, seems like C and D isn't a fan of the new m, and that's ok. will be interesting to see how or if their impressions change in a positive or negative way
I haven't read the link yet, but would find it odd that they don't like it now considering this article http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m3
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 01:24 PM   #5
solstice
Colonel
95
Rep
2,909
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Nice, I suspect it will win them over especially since it's a 6 MT. However the overall clinical feel is real and so is the lack of steering feel. So I don't expect them to rate it near perfect but I'm pretty sure it's stout and well matched engine and chassis will prove rather irresistible and it will become a popular car among their staff.

Will be interresting to follow. Thanks for posting!
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 02:15 PM   #6
Damasconian
Captain
Damasconian's Avatar
57
Rep
985
Posts

Drives: '13 QX56 & '15 M4
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Too many of the test cars are coming with the ceramic brakes. I know this one was ordered by C&D, but still. They are great, but really lower the perceived value of the car when looking at MSRP without the option breakdown. Not optioning the brakes takes a $81K car to a more reasonable $73K, about what this car should be priced at with a few options. And that's before discounts, ED, etc.

I have seen 5-6 M3/4's on the road and not one of them had the ceramics. Id really like to see what the ceramic vs non-ceramic number breakdown is a few years into production. I have a feeling the ceramics will be heavily sought after on the used market in a few years, if there are any to find.
__________________
2015 M4 6-MT
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 02:31 PM   #7
myzmak
Advocatus Douchebagus
myzmak's Avatar
Canada
223
Rep
2,491
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [5.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damasconian View Post
Too many of the test cars are coming with the ceramic brakes. I know this one was ordered by C&D, but still. They are great, but really lower the perceived value of the car when looking at MSRP without the option breakdown. Not optioning the brakes takes a $81K car to a more reasonable $73K, about what this car should be priced at with a few options. And that's before discounts, ED, etc.

I have seen 5-6 M3/4's on the road and not one of them had the ceramics. Id really like to see what the ceramic vs non-ceramic number breakdown is a few years into production. I have a feeling the ceramics will be heavily sought after on the used market in a few years, if there are any to find.
Agreed. CCBs are great for reviewers flailing them around on the track (hence all the 'tick that box' reviews) but just expensive and much less useful for 99% of the use of this car. So any review that looks at value will not appreciate those; further, they are so expensive relative to the rest of the car that their inclusion can have a big overall impact.

But, whatevs. Car and Driver have been wrong about other cars before (Infiniti G37 anyone? PT Cruiser? 300M? The 1994 Lexus SC? Good lord. The worst car ever, and there it is on their fecking list....) so I am not going to be overly fussed whichever way they go (or by their decision to drop the 3 series in favour of the M235, which probably is a better car anyway, if much, much more niche)
__________________
Drivin' Lucy
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 02:47 PM   #8
SapphireSiC
Private
SapphireSiC's Avatar
1
Rep
77
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damasconian View Post

I have seen 5-6 M3/4's on the road and not one of them had the ceramics. Id really like to see what the ceramic vs non-ceramic number breakdown is a few years into production. I have a feeling the ceramics will be heavily sought after on the used market in a few years, if there are any to find.
And it would seem the non-press cars with ceramics would be more desirable, although not to the tune of $8000.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 02:47 PM   #9
Needsdecaf
Everything's Bigger in Texas!
United_States
75
Rep
2,320
Posts

Drives: Porsche Tractor
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: The Woodlands, TX

iTrader: (0)

I will get in on record before they say anything bad and I am accused of biased info:


Screw Car and Driver. They are almost behind Automobile now in terms of their usefulness.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:05 PM   #10
Vigilant
First Lieutenant
Vigilant's Avatar
United_States
38
Rep
391
Posts

Drives: Cautiously fast
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
I will get in on record before they say anything bad and I am accused of biased info:


Screw Car and Driver. They are almost behind Automobile now in terms of their usefulness.
I agree.
__________________


MWM F80 DCT HK EBL 19 BAW
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:07 PM   #11
dmk08
///Maniac
dmk08's Avatar
155
Rep
4,159
Posts

Drives: 15 F80 MG/SO 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by solstice View Post
Nice, I suspect it will win them over especially since it's a 6 MT. However the overall clinical feel is real and so is the lack of steering feel. So I don't expect them to rate it near perfect but I'm pretty sure it's stout and well matched engine and chassis will prove rather irresistible and it will become a popular car among their staff.

Will be interresting to follow. Thanks for posting!
Really you think the 6MT is what will win them over? I hope thats not the only thing that makes this car good.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:12 PM   #12
nicknaz
Brigadier General
United_States
71
Rep
4,510
Posts

Drives: Z4 35i
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damasconian View Post
I have a feeling the ceramics will be heavily sought after on the used market in a few years, if there are any to find.
My guess is that the more popular route will be purchasing the caliper and other required retrofit parts and aftermarket iron rotors
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:15 PM   #13
jawwadh
Addicted to Speed.
jawwadh's Avatar
United_States
27
Rep
925
Posts

Drives: 13 328xi, 15 m4
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago.

iTrader: (4)

the m4/m3 can be one hell of a "bargain"
I picked up an m4 with the essentials: 19s, hk, dct, and adaptive for 63.2k+TTL... i cant think of any new car that offers this much for that price.
__________________
08 JZB e90 M3 6MT- sold
13 AW 28xi Msport 8AT
15 MW/black M4 DCT; ED 2/28 awaiting redelivery
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:27 PM   #14
SapphireSiC
Private
SapphireSiC's Avatar
1
Rep
77
Posts

Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nicknaz View Post
My guess is that the more popular route will be purchasing the caliper and other required retrofit parts and aftermarket iron rotors
If I were going to use the car for the track and thought iron rotors preferable, why not purchase the M with iron rotors in the first place and avoid the retrofit costs?
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:32 PM   #15
solstice
Colonel
95
Rep
2,909
Posts

Drives: 2015 M3 6MT
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
Really you think the 6MT is what will win them over? I hope thats not the only thing that makes this car good.
It's not the only thing but I think it helps. The 6 MT in this car is very good and it provides a more involving experience to a car that in some ways is a bit more distant and clinical than earlier M3s. It certainly helped and still helps make up for for some of what I perceive has been lost vs my E90 M3 with DCT.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:37 PM   #16
smedin
Second Lieutenant
smedin's Avatar
10
Rep
223
Posts

Drives: 2015 F80 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Twin Cities, MN

iTrader: (0)

Not to mention that C&D is constantly professing their love for manuals. So, it's going to have a positive impact for them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by solstice View Post
It's not the only thing but I think it helps. The 6 MT in this car is very good and it provides a more involving experience to a car that in some ways is a bit more distant and clinical than earlier M3s. It certainly helped and still helps make up for for some of what I perceive has been lost vs my E90 M3 with DCT.
__________________
F80 6MT. In full color.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 03:39 PM   #17
dmk08
///Maniac
dmk08's Avatar
155
Rep
4,159
Posts

Drives: 15 F80 MG/SO 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by smedin View Post
Not to mention that C&D is constantly professing their love for manuals. So, it's going to have a positive impact for them.
But Chris Harris said he would buy a DCT and he has the ultimate opinion. You guys are just wrong accept it. DCT is the transmission of the GODS. BOW BENEATH IT!
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 04:36 PM   #18
nicknaz
Brigadier General
United_States
71
Rep
4,510
Posts

Drives: Z4 35i
Join Date: May 2008
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SapphireSiC View Post
If I were going to use the car for the track and thought iron rotors preferable, why not purchase the M with iron rotors in the first place and avoid the retrofit costs?
to use a bigger rotor and a different (better?) caliper
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 06:11 PM   #19
jewels
Private First Class
United_States
5
Rep
173
Posts

Drives: 435i M-sport Vert & M4 Vert
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: New York

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Needsdecaf View Post
I will get in on record before they say anything bad and I am accused of biased info:


Screw Car and Driver. They are almost behind Automobile now in terms of their usefulness.

PLUS 1
__________________
BMW Owner 2-3 & 4 Wheels
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 09:26 PM   #20
Accel Junky
High on Acceleration
Accel Junky's Avatar
United_States
115
Rep
1,171
Posts

Drives: 1998 NSX Turbo
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Acworth, GA

iTrader: (5)

Garage List
1998 Acura NSX  [5.00]
Wow...the reviews are all over the place. This is quite a polarizing car. I wonder what that will mean down the road?

I agree on the options. This car has plenty enough in the base price. It is a good value at the base price but the paid options are just fluff.

I'm not complaining though. It seems many people are optioning the cars pretty well which I think will keep depreciation lower on strippers.

I also noticed the article says the leather was no cost...definitely an error.

Last edited by Accel Junky; 12-02-2014 at 09:33 PM.
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 09:40 PM   #21
FogCityM3
Lieutenant Colonel
FogCityM3's Avatar
44
Rep
1,815
Posts

Drives: M3 (E90)
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (0)

C&D has been pooping on the E30/F80 for a few years now….they don't like the new direction of BMW and this is seen in many reviews. Actually the same year the E90 M3 won its last comparo, they ran two reviews of the F30 stating that in a comparison with the base E90, the E90 would win (thus is hardly an argument for shifting ad dollars "paying" for reviews).

For anyone thinks that C&D doesn't matter, IMO I still think they're the best US publication and over the years have provided some pretty good, honest reviews that in general get a lot of corroboration from other journos, enthusiasts and race drivers alike. I guarantee you, certain members of management at BMW do care that the 3 series was knocked off the 10 best list. C&D was so "irrelevant" that every BMW dealership used to carry excerpts of their articles and 10 best lists for distribution. until now I guess.. Oops..
__________________
BPM Stage I Dev Tune | MPE Cat-Back Exhaust | ATS Superlight 19" Wheels | Essex/AP-Racing Lightweight BBK | Cantrell Motorsports Brake Ducts | Dinan Pulley | Dinan CF Strut Braces | Dinan CF Elbow | Göke Carbontechnik CF Plenum | Technocraft Envy Intake | BMW M Perf E Steering Wheel | BMW CF Splitters/Spoiler/Mirror Caps | M Perf Pedals | M5 Shift Knob | BMW OEM Grills/Gills/Hood Vents
Appreciate 0
      12-02-2014, 10:15 PM   #22
Aralan
Private
0
Rep
72
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 SO/SO
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Long Island

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Accel Junky View Post
I agree on the options. This car has plenty enough in the base price. It is a good value at the base price but the paid options are just fluff.
This * 1000. The car comes pretty well loaded without adding any of the options. Lightly optioned you can easily keep the car in the low 70s without giving up anything truly earth shattering.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:57 PM.




f80post
f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST