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Exactly !! Imagine his influence on the F8x forum versus the GTS forum!! I am a very avid follower of CanAut on the suspension sub forum .... and I know I'm quicker because of his input ✔️✔️✔️
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Don't put words in my mouth. I cannot comment on the M4 GTS' steering feel because I have not driven one. I am not stating if those changes make the steering better or worse. What I did is correct a misstated fact where there are indeed difference between the GTS and base M3/4 front suspension geometry. But if you think that has no effect one steering feel an feedback, I suggest you look-up scrub radius, caster and Ackerman angle to start with.
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The entire point of my posting is to show how hyperbolic reviewers are being with proclamations like the M4 GTS has the worst steering feel ever, while they say the M2 has the best steering feel of any current M car. A few mm in track width is not going to cause such a wide gulf in reviews. It is absolutely nothing compared to an entirely different power steering map that literally changes the required steering angle and weight on the car to achieve a certain corner radius. Of course, all of this could be confirmed if you guys with base M4s simply tried the coding change I suggested and switched your power steering map to that of the M2/GTS. You will notice a difference; I have done it for several local cars and it's immediately noticeable. If you have such a sensitive butt that you can detect a few mm difference in track width, this will be like hitting you over the head with a sledgehammer. Last edited by paradoxical3; 02-22-2017 at 07:44 AM.. |
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while i doubt the steering will bring the car itself close to my GTS, i am still exciting for the better steering feel |
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If you have the latest psdzdata there is a new power steering variant for the M2 CS too, I have not tried that yet. But it is separate from the M2/GTS variant so perhaps it's worth exploring as well. |
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Im not going to start getting into a comparison here, but the gts feels and drives like a completely different car, its hard to explain without driving it, but it feels like a different car altogether, its perfectly balanced and put together |
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It's a feeling that is hard to explain and only those who have driven both will know. |
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95% of posters and reviewers aren't going to notice a change in Ackerman angle because they don't have enough experience to. It can be a subtle difference. 95% of posters will notice a change in EPS mapping because it affects more obvious parameters like steering weight. This goes either way - for better or for worse. |
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I had my dealer change my Ackerman angle to the same setting the DTM cars use, and I notice a huge increase in corner exit feel!! I'd do it myself but the gauge and clips used to make the adjustment costs nearly $1200! (Side benefit is that brake dust is also more evenly distributed now - nice)
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It is very apparent that he has a hate on for the M3 and especially the M4.
Yet he loves the M2! I own a M4 and love it for what it is, A high performance sports-car. I take it to Track and auto-cross events a few times a year. I have driven the M2 at one of these events and it is a very fun car to drive. Not a car i would want to drive on a long trip though. The M4 is faster in evey category except an auto-cross course and not by much. I drove both cars and was only .5 seconds off inn the M4. The M4 is also a better looking car IMO. |
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I thought this thread was dead. In any case, read some interesting comments from all over from a year ago. Now that the GTS in US with very low miles is equal or cheaper than a CS, will folks stop hating on the car as you can get one new like I just did for less than half the price of a GT3 RS which you cannot virtually not get an allocation for? I have bought GTS after a E92 M3 which I drove on the track occasionally and I can tell you that I have never driven a car like GTS. It is phenomenal.
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Funny thing is that an M4 GTS still costs the same (used) as a 911gt3rs in Germany (2017 model). The reason is germany only got 80 GTS, UK 30 of them and France 15. Supply and demand... GT3RS is the better car though... Last edited by jpdchicago; 12-09-2017 at 10:50 PM.. |
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Ding. Ding. We have a winner. Congratulations and enjoy our beasts
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The folks who don’t like it can’t get past the price, and for good reason. When you’re looking in the 130+k range, well, there are certainly better options.
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If a person is thorough and looks around, they can be had at MSRP. And that’s a car that’s worth 150k. It’s so much more car than the GTS, for “marginally” more money at that level, that it makes the choice pretty easy. No need to bring the RS into the conversation, as the standard GT3 is already on another planet. PS - my buddy never considered the GTS. He didn’t see it as a worthy comparison to the GT3.
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I also think the new CS prices are way too high for what you’re getting (essentially a tune, revised electronics, and tires. Plus some CF bits). BMW knows they could only hope to sell out these cars if they artificially limited production. You don’t see Porsche saying they will only produce X number of GT3s...because they know the car is so good that it will sell as many as they can build. No matter the number.
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