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      12-04-2017, 12:49 PM   #67
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As with most things market related, it is better to buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying. The me too copy cat is usually too late to the game. Agree that the while the GT3 may be the better car, the GTS is the better buy.
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As with most things market related, it is better to buy when others are selling and sell when others are buying. The me too copy cat is usually too late to the game. Agree that the while the GT3 may be the better car, the GTS is the better buy.
If a GT3 pulls up next to you at a stoplight, now which one is the better buy?
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      12-04-2017, 03:16 PM   #69
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If a GT3 pulls up next to you at a stoplight, now which one is the better buy?
This is a trick question because GT3 owners don't drive them. They garage them to save miles and preserve the condition for the next owner.
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      12-04-2017, 03:23 PM   #70
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This is a trick question because GT3 owners don't drive them. They garage them to save miles and preserve the condition for the next owner.
oh is that the narrative now?

Look at any track day sign up sheet and you will see who really drives their cars
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oh is that the narrative now?

Look at any track day sign up sheet and you will see who really drives their cars
Just about everything but GT3s at my track day events. I've seen 1 in the last 5 years of tracking. Anecdotal of course but I think once people spend $180k on a track day special, or their 997 RS jumps to $200k in value, they suddenly realize they don't want to track it.
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Just about everything but GT3s at my track day events. I've seen 1 in the last 5 years of tracking. Anecdotal of course but I think once people spend $180k on a track day special, or their 997 RS jumps to $200k in value, they suddenly realize they don't want to track it.
Not my experience (again anecdotal). MSR, COTA, Eagles usually have a good showing of 997/991 gt3s. GT3 RSs are a bit more rare, though.

Back to my originally question though, 'hypothetically' which is the better buy? lol

By the way, there's a whole thread on "How many miles in your M4 GTS?". Based on the responses there, I don't think GT3s are driven any less than GTSs.
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1. The GTS was way too expensive
2. The looks were very polarizing
3. It wasn't that much faster
4. The reviews were terrible
5. It's a poor proposition for a track car . . . track guys want high-revving NA engines, not super turbo hybrid acid cooling gimmicks.

Basically, There's no compelling reason AT ALL unless you're a hardcore M fanatic. A $150,000 M3 is like Ford trying to sell a $100,000 Mustang. You'll have some hardcore Ford guys snatch them up at first, but nobody else will want them unless they are actually competitive with $100,000 cars.
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Just about everything but GT3s at my track day events. I've seen 1 in the last 5 years of tracking. Anecdotal of course but I think once people spend $180k on a track day special, or their 997 RS jumps to $200k in value, they suddenly realize they don't want to track it.
Not sure what track days your attending but in Florida for example, loads of GT3s and GT4s are tracked all the time.
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1. The GTS was way too expensive
2. The looks were very polarizing
3. It wasn't that much faster
4. The reviews were terrible
5. It's a poor proposition for a track car . . . track guys want high-revving NA engines, not super turbo hybrid acid cooling gimmicks.

Basically, There's no compelling reason AT ALL unless you're a hardcore M fanatic. A $150,000 M3 is like Ford trying to sell a $100,000 Mustang. You'll have some hardcore Ford guys snatch them up at first, but nobody else will want them unless they are actually competitive with $100,000 cars.
I agree completely the car was too expensive for what it is. I think the worst thing from a marketing perspective was to price it at twice what an M3 costs. The looks where subjective. Its only a couple tenths quicker in a straight line at best. The review's where what gets me. Why where they so bad? Its hard for me to believe that they where set up incorrectly but anything's possible. I have driven many race cars over the years. Get the alignment wrong and its miserable. Is it a poor track car? The reviews would confirm this. I cant help but wonder with the right set up what it would be like. Cant say I've seen one at the track yet.
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This review is not only entertaining, but with many truths to it

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Not sure what track days your attending but in Florida for example, loads of GT3s and GT4s are tracked all the time.
In the northeast, I just havenít seen them. I see all other 911 and Cayman models, and just about all other performance makes but sadly only 1 GT3 in recent years. Believe me, would love to see more of them, itís just my experience.
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I agree completely the car was too expensive for what it is. I think the worst thing from a marketing perspective was to price it at twice what an M3 costs. The looks where subjective. Its only a couple tenths quicker in a straight line at best. The review's where what gets me. Why where they so bad? Its hard for me to believe that they where set up incorrectly but anything's possible. I have driven many race cars over the years. Get the alignment wrong and its miserable. Is it a poor track car? The reviews would confirm this. I cant help but wonder with the right set up what it would be like. Cant say I've seen one at the track yet.
With the CS base price around $97k, once you option that out, that'll be anywhere between 105-120k. So I'm not sure how that's a justifiable price as well. That's just my opinion though...
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      12-05-2017, 01:29 AM   #79
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Just about everything but GT3s at my track day events. I've seen 1 in the last 5 years of tracking. Anecdotal of course but I think once people spend $180k on a track day special, or their 997 RS jumps to $200k in value, they suddenly realize they don't want to track it.
Not sure what track days your attending but in Florida for example, loads of GT3s and GT4s are tracked all the time.
I see several GT3's (3-5) at every track day I attend and 1 GTS every 3-5 track days, of that (maybe they're still in the show rooms.....lol). I'm sure there are regional differences. Here they are "common" at track days. So the GTS could be considered exclusive in that regard around here.
I will also say (again) that on they track, in the real world, they are definitely comparable.
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3 @ <$100k! One at $97k. It's getting ridiculous!

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...23989&zc=75034
All three still available. So much for CS pricing helping GTS values. That one at Main Line has been on there for months, with many price drops. I'd expect more GTS's to pop up under $100k, especially during the winter.
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Lol I wonder if that guy who was trying to sell his for MSRP in the classifieds finally traded it in?
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It was a over proved M4 unfortunately.
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