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Considering I don't eat or do anything else in my car, no it's not from holding something. Perhaps when it was serviced something could have happened, I don't know and I'm not at all concerned with it. |
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Alright, so here's mine and I gotta point out:
(1.) These seats have never been cleaned or even near an intention to clean them, and certainly not "conditioned". This is 3 years of doing zero, notta, nuthin, zilch. (the dust and pine needles should make that obvious - I've never vacuumed cause vert) (2.) I slide over and mash the drivers side bolster multiple times / day, usually in jeans (3.) Cali 'vert so full-on sun exposure hours / day I leave the top down when I run errands, etc To my eye these seats are mint condition and for leather I'd prefer more aniline color variation and wear / patina - that would make them look like true coachwork. As is they look plasticy with just a hint of patina. It's why I find it bizarre people have "cracking", "tears", and/or are constantly "conditioning". What a waste of time ... but that's just me Oh, the car's been rained in a few times too. I mean that's never happened BMWFS. Driver's side: Passenger side: Quote:
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You must move like a feather. You must let me know when your new vert comes stateside. I'll be happy to pay for poke and drinks to take a look at that gorgeous thing.
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Well, I'm 6'2", 200lbs of solid muscle (head, the rest is fat), so not that light
Here's my auto leather experience: (1.) for almost 20 years we've had leather seats in BMWs and Audis, probably 20 cars and they've all worn the same - just like in the pictures above (2.) I've never touched them with anything other than with warm distilled water, and almost never that. mostly the occasional dusting, and right now I could write "bimmerpost" in the dust ... I just might and take a picture of it ... (3.) For years (15 of those 20) I had dogs running all over the seats front and back - it's how we brought them places and we always brought them places (4.) I spilled deck paint on my front seats once and it baked on over the course of 2 years - came off with warm water GG's UNIFIED LEATHER THEORY The on-going application of clearer / conditioner abrades the leather's surface slowly contributing to "wear" and ultimately ruining it. That is, the very act of "maintaining" and "conditioning" auto leather destroys it. If you just leave it alone, after 3 years, it looks like this: Passenger side:
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You do bring up a good point. Treated leathers typically have a coating on them to protect what is underneath. However, lightly cleaning the COATING will continue to keep it looking new. Heavy cleaners do wear down the coating and ultimately help make the leather crack. There are leather sealants out there that one can use after intensively cleaning the leather, like Gyeon
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i.e. air pressure dust, light feather dust, microfiber dust, warm distilled water light cleaning, application of polyurethane coating, curing, and repeatBut most people are just squiring goop on a rag, creating a rubbing compound, and then sanding down their seat's leather surface-coating. If I wanted nice leather seats on a used car I'd insist on buying from someone who did nothing to their seats. If you "conditioned" your seats, there's a 99% chance you've ruined them. (and maybe the top point is: even if you're doing everything right it's completely unnecessary and a total waste of time!) Show me someone who leather conditions their seats and I'll show you ruined seats. It's like that guy at the car wash, washing his new car with that foaming brush ...
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I plan on keeping this M3 for 6 years, 2x as long as the E36.
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Thanks for the tip, I'm always willing to try another product to keep my leather from sun damage, cracking, etc.
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You're welcome. For the steering wheel, i like a matte finish, so try using a soft scrub brush with the cleaning agent. Then let the leather conditioner soak in
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You cannot "moisturize" auto leather as it doesn't need replacement of fats or liquors and has a polyurethane coating, so it doesn't need "conditioning". What happened to dkhm3's older car is that, over time, the surface coating breaks down due to sun exposure, heat/cold cycles, abrasion due to use, etc, thus exposing the leather underneath, which then dries and cracks. To prevent that on a new car, after about 4-5 years (during which time you should NOT DO ANYTHING), you should have the leather professionally cleaned (ie., proper technique) and have the polyurethane coating replaced as you recommended. If you do that every 4-5 years depending on sun / temp exposure, the leather will stay like new. Repeatedly "conditioning" will 99% likely destroy the leather's surface coating and ultimate the paint color underneath. The repeated rubbing also separates the leather's fibers contributing to sagging, stretching, and wear, not to mention risks getting moisture into the stitching holes which rots the leather from the inside out.
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https://www.ammonyc.com/shop/ammo-interiorregimen-kit/ I also have used products from these guys- any thoughts?
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Yes, I have thoughts : take leather care advice from people who make and sell leather, not makers and sellers of leather care products.
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I'm not reading this whole thread... but I can tell you that you can get scratch like that when you are getting out of your car from your belt/jeans/jacket zipper rubbing against the bottom of the wheel.
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