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What makes M stand out more than their Audi RS and Mercedes-Benz AMG competitors is that they are more innovative and more experimental. So they have image building sports cars but with a BMW image is not required , a BMW customer knows what they will get and what is engineered in every BMW is decades of passion , precision and that unique character a fine balance of communication and dynamics and that is with every BMW, BMW are not select , every BMW must have that unique DNA which brings that precison of the Ultimate Driving Machine. Think of the innovative factors of BMW M especially in bringing CFRP to a 3er and you can see how M is more experimental than its competitors. One of the interesting aspects of M is that they have limits , they can only go far whether financially or from a technical stand point, but they still excell. They might not have the expansive resources as VAG but that is actually good because no matter what you have in terms of VAGs resources they still manage to Fuck up! and especially where it matters... Driver Communication. Audi are in the midst of trying to imitate BMW that they fail to grasp what makes a BMW and now at the eve of the forthcoming revolution at BMW namely the advent of FWD. Which underlines BMW's strengths by adapting what makes a great RWD BMW and applying this to a FWD concept. having sampled BMW's adaptation of FWD it is a revolution , its BMW's take on FWD and driver communication is not lost in the translation. Audi should be concerned , if the best it can manage is "Average".
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05-23-2012, 10:02 PM | #222 | |
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I am not saying it can't get in limp mode or won't get but maybe it already is not that big of a problem. And as you put it your buddy has a 335is not an M car, also a DCT which is arguably the part of limp issue so can't serve as a base for M cars, present or future. |
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Sure wish you two had been at high plains raceway in Denver last weekend on friday afternoon when it was 88 degrees. I had to keep limping my 1M down the straight at 130 mph. It was even worse on Sunday when I pulled on an e90 M3 on the back straight... Hitting 5mph higher than Friday. :wink: That's ok though, there is still time. I challenge both of you -oops, all THREE of you, you are invited as well Klammer- to come to Texas this summer and go to the track with me. |
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05-24-2012, 01:23 AM | #226 | |
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A great example is the Audi RS5. They had 3 years to build a better car than the M3. They failed hard. I like BMW. I love M. I adore the M3. I'm on my 4th M3. It's delicious.
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05-24-2012, 07:46 AM | #229 | |
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My guess it will be a mix of N55 and N54, the latter for the two turbos and the cast-aluminium engine block, and the former for the twin scroll and valvetronic technology. Alpina_B3_Lux
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05-24-2012, 11:04 AM | #232 | |
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As opposed to a sequential setup or a setup involving variable geometry or electric turbos |
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05-24-2012, 11:17 AM | #233 | |
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VTG turbos would be cool, but I don't think we'll see them in the M3 as the maintenance costs are prohibitive. Alpina_B3_Lux
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05-24-2012, 11:20 AM | #234 | |
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I bought my 1M in september last year. Since then it has done Barber motorsports Park - 6 sessions on Sunday, the last day of Ofest 2011 Texas World Speedway -2 days Eagles Canyon Raceway - 6-7 days (I am a member at this track) Harris Hill Road - Austin TX - 1 day Motorsport Ranch - 3.1 Cresson - 2 days High Plains Raceway - 3 days I am going back to MSR Cresson on June second next up is Flat Out at Heartland park in June 8-10 I bet it will be HOT there... although not as hot as in TX! so... It looks like we track our cars a similar amount right? before the end of the year I will likely be at Road Atlanta and I will be at Ofest. I have driven Road America and would love to get up there this year as well but I don't think it will be in the cards. by the way... Badger Bimmers Chief instructor Mike Clemens has a 1M... look him up ... So don't take it personal, but YES you are being laughed at... sorry... because you need to quit thinking about the 335 when we are discussing *M* cars. you **know*** they are apples and oranges... so why compare ? Are you happy with your M car? Anyone in this forum unhappy with their M car? We ALL love M cars... and we all know they are designed to be taken to the track..... However...it's amazing at all the " doubts" because of an issue with a NON M car. BMW M engineers ain't fools Yo! but yet everyone has to come on to a web forurm and * second guess* them.... So for all of you doing that...... here's your sign. The 1M is the clear benchmark for the new M.... go to any event near you and you will see plenty of 1Ms being tracked.. without issue! Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 05-24-2012 at 01:39 PM.. Reason: forgot I ran harris Hill road also |
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That's ok, will be up at road America in 2 weeks, will be on the lookout, but still have not seen one 1m on track. I'm not complaining or bitching or being argumentative, just expressing a concern that seems valid based on other non BMW turbos that I've seem have problems (evos, gtr, turboed miatas, etc) and yes the 335i on track. Someone's a bit defensive
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05-24-2012, 01:34 PM | #238 | |
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I am just trying to educate many of you that are apparently not operating from an INFORMED perspective. and let me tell ya, it's HARD WORK! So now that you know better.... let's not hear you say limp mode and M car until you personally SEE it happen? There is no reason to perpetuate a myth and now you have every reason not to. . As far as no 1Ms on track in the area... really odd. Every event I have been to in the last year there were three or more. There were 6-8 in Denver at HPR, 3 at harrris hill road in TX in March, 6 at the Lone Star Chapter event at Cresson in April etc.. Keep in mind that the events I have run are BMW CCA events... perhaps you are running events with other organizations.. Looks like the closest I will be to you will be Ofest at Mid Ohio... Come on by and I'll " buy" you a Spaten. Should you decide to come south for an event... I'll be happy to meet up! Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 05-24-2012 at 02:25 PM.. |
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F10 is heavy, quite heavy. Has a soulless steering. And it's suspension is too soft. Some people like it, and the sale numbers show it but definitely it is NOT the ultimate driving machine. |
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05-24-2012, 01:58 PM | #240 | |
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I use to own an A6, and I have driven a new one. Have driven an older GS, but not the new one. Have yet to drive any Audi or Japanese car that even has the steering feel of my wife's 09 328. That includes my old STi which was around 3200lbs. The weight argument is nonsense - depending on config, the F10 could be within a 100lbs or so of the A6. It's irrelevant. |
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At low speeds, the 328 steering is actually heavier and more direct than my M3. The steering feel in the Audi is still totally non-communicative from my perspective and super-boosted at low-ish speeds. The handling is clearly improved from earlier models. Audi has been working for literally 12+ years trying to get the A6 to drive like a 5 series. I would hope they could close the gap somewhat...anything less would be totally embarrassing; especially with their budget. |
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