Video: M4 CP DCT Vs Corvette Grand Sport Auto (GRIP magazine)

[swifty]

Originally Posted by 3M TAPE

This generation C7 vette in general is a horrible car. I would much prefer the Camaro SS 1LE.
C7 Grand Sport on the other hand is very nice. I would love to test drive one.

Apparently most of the instructors at the BMW Performance training facility own C7 corvettes. Think there was a pic of this on the forum somewhere.

[BC87]

Originally Posted by sw1183

Am I wrong in saying this is the wrong comparison? Shouldn't the M3/4 competition be pegged against the Z06 and not the Grand Sport?

uhh, idk. the z06 is a 650hp car with super car levels of grip.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Jeffe

I agree with others. Not a fair comparison. Regardless of price in Europe, these are two totally different cars. I've owned both and it's not a fair comparison. The ss1le is a better comparison than the GS imo.

Is the SS1LE even available in Germany?

Folks here are funny. This is NOT as USA review

The comparison needs to be taken in context, and the context here for two different approaches to a €100k ~450hp sports coupe offered on the German market. The reviewer picked the M4 as is preferred subjective choice as the better all around car, even if the GS was slightly faster around the track. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[OhioRiderAaron]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Is the SS1LE even available in Germany?

Folks here are funny. This is NOT as USA review

The comparison needs to be taken in context, and the context here is the German market for two €100k ~450hp sports coupe. The reviewer picked the M4 as is preferred subjective choice as the better all around car, even if the GS was slightly faster around the track. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The 1LE isn't even that good of a comparison either. Blah, blah, blah repost 100 comments comparing the two. Also, not sure if it's even available overseas.

The M4 should be compared to the other "luxury" sporty-grand-touring vehicles like the C63 coupe, ATSV coupe, etc. But who cares right? most of these videos are made for fun anyway

[clbmw]

Irrelevant to us in the UK. There are 4
Corvettes for sale on Autotrader.

Not a huge fan of leaving EU but roll on free trade agreements and z06 in the UK

[Prince_of_Persia]

Not a fair comparison, what is next? Comparing M4 to a Ford Focus?

[conradb2]

Seems goofy to compare the two. The Grand Sport is probably a decent comparison to the M4 Competition performance-wise, but it's not telling of the whole story of what each line has to offer. The M4 GTS is going to be a bit quicker, but if you're going to step up the game, the C7 Z06 is faster than a Nissan GT-R on track. Practically, the M4 Competition is the fastest BMW sells, while you can go MUCH higher with Chevy in buying a Z06 off the lot.

Further, Chevy has yet to release the ZR1 or whatever grand finale they have for the C7 generation. The spy shots look menacing, and I think they're targeting the Viper ACR, which is a god among street legal race cars.

[conradb2]

Originally Posted by swifty

Apparently most of the instructors at the BMW Performance training facility own C7 corvettes. Think there was a pic of this on the forum somewhere.

I can't blame them. I switched from BMW to Chevy myself. I own a C5 Z06 that I've dumped $30k into making into a NASA ST2 legal race car now. It's a fucking beast, and the Vettes are dominating the league.

[MannyS]

Originally Posted by PawnStar

Cabrio M4 is a compromised M4, 500 lbs of extra weight killed the M4 ‘experience’ for me. As much as I hated the cabrio, I love the coupe.

750 lbs. of extra weight for me in the cabrio M4 once I put my old 250 lb. body in the front seat and put the top down for a ride along the beach.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by swifty

Apparently most of the instructors at the BMW Performance training facility own C7 corvettes. Think there was a pic of this on the forum somewhere.

Interesting... Most of the instructors at Bondurant Racing School (which is also the official racing school of Dodge) own BMWs. Not F8x but several instructors own E36 and E46 M3s.

[shatty]

Originally Posted by 3M TAPE

This generation C7 vette in general is a horrible car. I would much prefer the Camaro SS 1LE.
C7 Grand Sport on the other hand is very nice. I would love to test drive one.

What does that mean? U said the C7 is horrible but the C7 GS on the other hand is very nice. Do you mean a base C7 or the C7 line in general?

[shatty]

Not a fair comparison. Engines are different also. One is a V8 and other is a V6 TT. I own a C7 ZO6. I was minutes away from getting a M4 cab. While I was in the BMW store finalizing the deal, I received a call from the Chevy dealer and they gave me the car for what I wanted to pay. I LOVE my car. The power is enormous. Also I like the way the V8 sounds compared to the V6. There is nothing better sounding than an American muscle car's motor. That deep menacing sound. No regrets here. The car has it's quirks...soft wheels, that cooling problem known to the A8 cars, etc. It doesnt have the quality of a German car. You know what I'm talking about...the interiors are so well put together on Germans. No rattles or quality issues. But the performance and handling on the ZO6 is that of exotic and super car levels.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by shatty

Not a fair comparison. Engines are different also. One is a V8 and other is a V6 TT. I own a C7 ZO6. I was minutes away from getting a M4 cab. While I was in the BMW store finalizing the deal, I received a call from the Chevy dealer and they gave me the car for what I wanted to pay. I LOVE my car. The power is enormous. Also I like the way the V8 sounds compared to the V6. There is nothing better sounding than an American muscle car's motor. That deep menacing sound. No regrets here. The car has it's quirks...soft wheels, that cooling problem known to the A8 cars, etc. It doesnt have the quality of a German car. You know what I'm talking about...the interiors are so well put together on Germans. No rattles or quality issues. But the performance and handling on the ZO6 is that of exotic and super car levels.

It's not a V6 lol.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by shatty

Not a fair comparison. Engines are different also. One is a V8 and other is a V6 TT. I own a C7 ZO6. I was minutes away from getting a M4 cab. While I was in the BMW store finalizing the deal, I received a call from the Chevy dealer and they gave me the car for what I wanted to pay. I LOVE my car. The power is enormous. Also I like the way the V8 sounds compared to the V6. There is nothing better sounding than an American muscle car's motor. That deep menacing sound. No regrets here. The car has it's quirks...soft wheels, that cooling problem known to the A8 cars, etc. It doesnt have the quality of a German car. You know what I'm talking about...the interiors are so well put together on Germans. No rattles or quality issues. But the performance and handling on the ZO6 is that of exotic and super car levels.

[Venere]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

Not a fair comparison, what is next? Comparing M4 to a Ford Focus?

Only if it's a Ford Focus ST with the Goodyear F1 Asymetrico summer tires fitted. Otherwise, not a fair comparison as the Focus is a compact hatchback made in Mexico and the M4 is a tarted up sedan......blah, blah, blah. Jeez guys, these videos are for your entertainment. Loosen up a little and cut the guys who make them some slack. Have some fun for a change !!! Pretend you are Jeremy Clarkson and you just don't give a damn, you just love POWER !!!!

[shiv.nandak]

Coming from someone who has experience with both the M4 and the C7 Z06. I can't imagine the M4 keeping up with even a C7 Grand Sport. The grand sport is basically a Z06 with less weight and different engine. It has the same tires and even better handling...

[swifty]

Originally Posted by shatty

Not a fair comparison. Engines are different also. One is a V8 and other is a V6 TT. I own a C7 ZO6. I was minutes away from getting a M4 cab. While I was in the BMW store finalizing the deal, I received a call from the Chevy dealer and they gave me the car for what I wanted to pay. I LOVE my car. The power is enormous. Also I like the way the V8 sounds compared to the V6. There is nothing better sounding than an American muscle car's motor. That deep menacing sound. No regrets here. The car has it's quirks...soft wheels, that cooling problem known to the A8 cars, etc. It doesnt have the quality of a German car. You know what I'm talking about...the interiors are so well put together on Germans. No rattles or quality issues. But the performance and handling on the ZO6 is that of exotic and super car levels.

Great looking car!

What do you mean by "soft wheels"?

"Interiors are well put together. No Rattles"
Unfortunately that's not the case on the F80s. For some reason seems to be more of an issue on the 4 door than the 2 door.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by shiv.nandak

Coming from someone who has experience with both the M4 and the C7 Z06. I can't imagine the M4 keeping up with even a C7 Grand Sport. The grand sport is basically a Z06 with less weight and different engine. It has the same tires and even better handling...

It can't on a track , not even close . Heck the Grandsport destroyed the M4 GTS at VIR in last years Lightning lap .

[DinoDan]

Originally Posted by conradb2

Seems goofy to compare the two. The Grand Sport is probably a decent comparison to the M4 Competition performance-wise, but it's not telling of the whole story of what each line has to offer. The M4 GTS is going to be a bit quicker, but if you're going to step up the game, the C7 Z06 is faster than a Nissan GT-R on track. Practically, the M4 Competition is the fastest BMW sells, while you can go MUCH higher with Chevy in buying a Z06 off the lot.

Further, Chevy has yet to release the ZR1 or whatever grand finale they have for the C7 generation. The spy shots look menacing, and I think they're targeting the Viper ACR, which is a god among street legal race cars.

Seems goofy? Seems logical to me.
You are comparing a 100K Z06 to an 80K M4 with 200 less hp. That seems a bit goofy to me. The only Z06 to beat a GTR at the track is the one with the Z07 package which costs around 100k. The new Z06 will obviously dominate at the track. It is a track monster with tons of grip and 650hp. It is built for the track but is a pretty shitty ride on the streets.
Performance wise the grand sport and the M4 match up well. There is not a person on the planet that does not know a new Z06 will beat a M4. No reason to match them up.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The reviewer picked the M4 as is preferred subjective choice as the better all around car, even if the GS was slightly faster around the track. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Auto translate wasn't working out for me, and I don't speak German.

Could you please let us know the lap times, and any insights the reviewer had across the 2 cars?

Also was the GS using the "z07" package and cup 2 tires?

I have always thought (based on USA reviews, that I think are focused on z07 equipped cars) that the C7GS was a track monster so I'm surprised the Gs was only "slightly" faster. Was it because both cars were using PSS tires and GS had the "base" aero?

Thanks!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Auto translate wasn't working out for me, and I don't speak German.

Could you please let us know the lap times, and any insights the reviewer had across the 2 cars?

Also was the GS using the "z07" package and cup 2 tires?

I have always thought (based on USA reviews, that I think are focused on z07 equipped cars) that the C7GS was a track monster so I'm surprised the Gs was only "slightly" faster. Was it because both cars were using PSS tires and GS had the "base" aero?

Thanks!

Lap times:
M4: 1:06.11
GS: 1:05.46

Matthias raved about the GS' engine and sporty character, but found the M4 to be the better overall car, being faster in a straight line, not quite as fast on track but way more practical, comfortable, adaptable and still intoxicating to drive.

They only mention the GS being the collector's edition. They do say it has aero but don't mention anything about the tires. However, a close up of the tread of the GS's tires leads me to believe it is on the street PSS and not the PSC2. This and the €98k price tag tells me it does not have the Z07 track package, which makes sense for this specific comparison IMO.

The Z07 package would add ~€15k to the price of the €98K Corvette GS and make it a fair bit more expensive than this loaded M4CP. It would be therefore more appropriate to compare a GS-Z07 with an M4 that has the M-Performance HAS and 763M/PSC2 package fitted, or even to the M4CS for that matter.

[nicknaz]

^thank you!!!

Agreed this was the right spec of C7GS and M4 to compare.

It reinforces why I got an F80 instead of C7z51 in 2015