M4 CS reviews are rolling in

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Indeed but £90k (base price) for a M4 is surreal it needs to be handing the C63S and QF their arses to justify the price.

991.2 GTS looms large next to it.

Nice car and I understand why fans of the M brand would want one of course.

Yup for the money 991.2 GTS 7MT please!

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by VAUROS

Man, BMW has figured out how to charge/earn substantially more while providing less. The heads of M Division must be good friends with the heads over at Apple; they are both exercising the same exact profit strategy. Just like suckers that are iPhone owners, myself included, M brand loyalists will take a substantial loss on their current M4 just to trade up to a marginally better M4. M4 GTS prices are already as low as $119K and once the CS is launched it will take a massive depreciation hit because some components/elements of the GTS are now shared with a lesser variant that costs $40K less.

I know for a fact that you all that can't afford a Porsche really wish you could, because you would/should jump ship from the M brand, ASAP! M brand will be a total joke within the next 5 years, especially since they now want to cease production of the DCT and manuals are all but dead within BMW. The only appeal left with M is affordability, but even that is starting to reach P-car prices.

I agree on a lot of your points but there is only one GTS at $119,000 and it is used with 1,700 miles . Most of them are selling at MSRP or a bit more (new ones). But they are selling: 15 less on cars.com than the last time I checked. Once they are gone, we will get an idea of the real depreciation. I think you are dreaming if you think the CS will cost $40,000 less than the gts...
I would love to be proven wrong on that though...a $90,000 CS would be great!

[dailym3]

Interesting that the 7:35 time around the 'Ring is still 3 secs slower than the Alfa. I expected the CS to be faster.

[MaX PL]

for $95k I'd take a used 991.2 CS2 over this all day.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by VAUROS

Man, BMW has figured out how to charge/earn substantially more while providing less. The heads of M Division must be good friends with the heads over at Apple; they are both exercising the same exact profit strategy. Just like suckers that are iPhone owners, myself included, M brand loyalists will take a substantial loss on their current M4 just to trade up to a marginally better M4. M4 GTS prices are already as low as $119K and once the CS is launched it will take a massive depreciation hit because some components/elements of the GTS are now shared with a lesser variant that costs $40K less.

I know for a fact that you all that can't afford a Porsche really wish you could, because you would/should jump ship from the M brand, ASAP! M brand will be a total joke within the next 5 years, especially since they now want to cease production of the DCT and manuals are all but dead within BMW. The only appeal left with M is affordability, but even that is starting to reach P-car prices.

wow, there are so many shitty assumptions in this post that none of them deserve to be edited out - congratulations!

(1.) Your math skills. The M4 I'm getting is ~$90k MSRP. A comparable 911 is ~$133k, which is 48% more expensive, and that's just sticker - if you compare financing it's more around 57% more depending.

(2.) Your product skills. Nobody buying a car for more than basic transportation is doing so based on logic; it's emotion/$=value and, for many people, a porsche just doesn't have 48% more emotion.

(3.) Your forecasting. Five years from now, nobody's going to be too distracted with combustion engine transmissions.

[GioM3]

No MT, No Respect.

[Captain Unknown GT4]

Was It not 7.38min for CS factory lap?

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

'Ring lap time now stated by BMW at 7:35 for the M4CS. That's only 7 seconds off the pace of the M4GTS. Not bad...
Note: Factory to Factory times

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by vladberca

These muscle cars are not so popular outside of US.
They might have good performances, but it's something related to overall package that will make a car more desirable

I'm not comparing the desirability of the two cars. Comparing the cost, gains, components, etc. of what are two performance/track upgrade packages.

[Captain Unknown GT4]

Oh, Shmee is now soon to upload his test of the M4 GTS. Could that turn in to a shitstorm once again? Well lets wait and see. He seems to most drive street this shmee dude right?

[M4_GTS]

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then just go get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

Winner of the best post on this thread! Why can't people just buy what they want without the need for justification or the immediate comparison to something "better."

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then just go get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

Good one!

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then just go get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

I've got to agree here. The P-Car nut-swinging gets somewhat old after awhile and I love Porsche.

[shainblm]

What's the name of that color... do I like it?

[330iToy]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Uh oh

Prices might rise big mouth is at it again

https://apple.news/AYdgKecyFQ3eRdXDSjYaEPQ

Liberals

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then just go get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

until they go and get lease prices on their dream 911 and then they'll be bitching about Porsche. Most of the 991.2 s i've seen on dealer lots are 133k+ and a lease will be at or above 3k a month with minimum drive off.

The truth is that the car will sell for whatever the market can take. if it can't sell for 1xx,xxxx then it will sit on the showroom and the dealer will be forced to take discounts.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by M4_GTS

Half the ppl on this forum should just stop typing on their keyboard and head out right now to go get a fucking Porsche. Porsche this, Porsche that, then just go get a Porsche and go on Rennlist. Goodbye!

Not me.

A proper car is front engine rear drive. If you want an exotic car that can double as a poster on your 16 year old boy's bedroom wall then put the engine any where u want.

[M3 n X5M]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

until they go and get lease prices on their dream 911 and then they'll be bitching about Porsche. Most of the 991.2 s i've seen on dealer lots are 133k+ and a lease will be at or above 3k a month with minimum drive off.

The truth is that the car will sell for whatever the market can take. if it can't sell for 1xx,xxxx then it will sit on the showroom and the dealer will be forced to take discounts.

All the new cars are getting crazy expensive.

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by M3 n X5M

All the new cars are getting crazy expensive.

The jug of milk or the loaf of bread is not getting any cheaper either.

[captainaudio]

I am sure the M4 CS is a very good car but with cars like the M4 CS you wind up with a car that can't really be driven at anywhere near its limits on the street but is not optimized as a dedicated track car.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

It's what the base M4 could have been.
Shame, really.

this guy wants a base M4 at $95K..

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by GioM3

No MT, No Respect.

Like it or not with very few exceptions you are not going to see manufacturers offering MTs in cars that are positioned as track cars.

The M235i factory racer comes with a ZF 8 Speed planetary geared, torque converter AT.