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South, great post! It is wonderful to hear that more than one or two possibilities are being explored.
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05-20-2011, 04:36 PM | #159 |
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Actually the E9x M3 is the first time the M variant has had a completely different engine from its predecessors. Previous generations always started with the base 3's engine and just improved key areas of it.
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The evidence is that BMW has not officially announced a thing about what engine will be used. This the the first we are hearing of them even testing an engine for the next gen M3. What more evidence do you want?
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05-20-2011, 04:52 PM | #161 | |
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05-20-2011, 04:59 PM | #162 |
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Not drama, just people who don't know what they are talking about. With the age of the M3, you can expect it to it start getting picked up by 16/17/18 year olds with wealthy parents. I hate to use the ignore feature because I would like to help everyone out but a select few really get on my nerves because of their ignorance. That's when you go in ignore.
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05-20-2011, 06:38 PM | #164 |
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Please don't forget that i6 is the best balanced engine for performance on track....
Really BMW your loosing your motive .. The new v8 m3 is like a shitty Mercedes , just a big engine being thrown around unfashionably . Please go back to high revving i6, and add two turbos naturally aspirated And there ya go.. And stop making the m's bigger!!!!!! Your loosing your real ambitious drivers... |
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05-20-2011, 08:09 PM | #168 |
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05-20-2011, 10:05 PM | #169 | |
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Yes, exactly right on the money. % chance = 0, precisely. It is really due to pride/envy considerations. You can't charge so much more for the M5 with such a similar engine available in the M5s little brother. The only reasonable options (from BMWs perspective) are V6 or I6, with turbo(s). Certainly very different options. They will undoubtedly show some significant innovation in the turbo domain either way. The choice comes down to a couple basic issues. 1. BMW is being driven very strongly by a push to use common parts to save money. You can read all about this about this in their reports to investors. The terms are "standardized architectures", "modular combinations" and "material cost offensive". If this is the dominant factor in the decision it will get an N55 variant. Personally I am leaning in this direction, not as a preference but as a guess. 2. The M3 is an icon, is typically fairly innovative (and award winning) with its engine. The compactness of the V6 as well as the innovation that could be in such an engine are attractive. Similarly reusing parts of existing V8s has the potential to save on development and production costs. However basing a new V6 on an existing V8 is not exactly as simple as the way the S65 V8 was based on the M5 S85 V10 due to balancing issues. Also, since the base 3er will have plenty of room for an inline 6 space is not going to be a major concern or limitation in the chassis. The M3 also typically gets its own specific or highly customized version of a base engine. I'm not so sure why folks are so anti-V6. Sure they need some balancing shaft(s) that rob some power and add some complexity but there is nothing whatsoever inherently wrong with a great V6. It certainly would be a somewhat radical departure for BMW but heck turbos for M cars and SUVs are no less radical. Don't really buy the articles basic premise but appreciate the discussion it has spurred.
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05-21-2011, 12:05 AM | #170 |
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And don't you think BMW took that into consideration when developing the S63 ? And you're right about a 'different' kind of V6 if that's the case. For one, it'd be a 90º, which is rare, to make it cost effective (derived from the S63). And as far as 'balancing', I'm not sure on a 90º V6 if it's possible with crank counterweights alone (which is the case with 60º V6s). It might, but it'd depend on displacement and rev limit. It'll be interesting to see what BMW comes up with, but my money is on an I6. We'll know soon enough. It's very likely the new engine is already in testing with current M3s, so nobody would notice. Have a good one.
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I love how m3 owners continue to bash the 1m stop being jealous **** and accept bmws new direction if you want to part ways with one of the best motorsporting comapnies be our guess more for us but the new m3 engine will be turbod like a 1m ive had a 135i for 3 years and for a little pocket rocket the car was fun unless an m3 put 8k into there car they couldnt keep up on the road m3 is a true rac car just like the 1m will be with the .97 skidpad and all that torque. If you didnt realize for amaybe 500 $.a 1m owner can have a 400 hp 400 torque machine with the sMe suspension as an m3 talk about an m car but anything thats gunna put down numbers like that with an engine like that ill take over an m3 everyday praise ur v8 bc its gunna die with u id rather save my money and havw a bettwr m car
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Rumormill: Is BMW bound to bolt a V6 under the hood of the next M3? by Jeff Glucker (RSS feed) on May 20th 2011 at 1:01PM BMW M3 Competition Package – Click above for high-res image gallery If you're an unapologetic BMW fanboy, the next few words might sting. BMW may be considering a V6 for the next generation BMW M3. No, we didn't mean to type I6 – we're talking about three on one side and three on the other. According to M3post.com, BMW is likely to go in one of four directions. First up is the suggestion that BMW will take the M3's current S65 V8 and add a pair of turbochargers to it. Now, we're all in favor of adding forced-induction to this engine but this would have the M3 treading heavily on F10 M5 ground. Another rumor pegs BMW as stuffing either a modified (read: boosted) version of the N54 turbocharged inline-six or a tweaked (read: detuned) version of the F10 M5's twin-turbo V8 S63 motor. The most interesting rumor, however, is that BMW may look into a turbocharged V6 engine. Is BMW HQ ready to hurt the fanboy feelings of folks in love with straight-six engines? If it means a better M3, then anything is possible. Come on? Yay! it's a party |
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