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Also I'd have to say the RS5 and the M are too different cars that unfortunately are in the same class. Audis look outdated so quickly to me They change light designs every 2 months, they are soft in their steering and their transmissions do not impress me. Every time I go for a test drive of an S4/5 or and RS5, TTRS, my favorite drive is the drive home!! Oh that RS5 should come in a MT too!!
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I can't respond to the poll since I am still on the fence
I had been driving MT on street and track for 15+ years before I made the leap to my current DCT E92 M3 5 years ago. I absolutely love the DCT. While I do miss some of the involvement of the 3 pedals, the performance advantage and the other benefits of the DCT are still greater from my point of view. The tighter ratios, extra gear and instant shifts all allow to better exploit the peaky power curve of the S65. Now on the F8X, the weight advantage of the 6MT will most likely be 70+lbs. Further, the broad power plateau of the S55 does not benefit as much from the tighter ratios provided by the DCT. According to recent articles, the new DCT will use the same ratios as the M5/6 which have much larger spacing compared to the old DCT. The first gear overall ratio will be shorter than on the E9X rendering 1st gear pretty much useless (especially considering the extra torque of the S55). It just seems that the new DCT is not as optimized towards extracting max performance compared to the previous one. Now there is still the advantage of the instantaneous shifts and the ability to keep both hands on the wheel at the track. I am eager to see the the official gearbox and final drive ratios for both 6MT and DCT and their respective performance numbers. Decisions, decsions... |
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There is absolutely no way that a 70lb difference in weight between the DCT and manual can make up for the MUCH slower shifts you get with a manual.
Look, if we were talking torque converter slushbox automatics, I would agree with the 6-speed crowd. But firing off fast shifts is critical to get the most performance out of a powerplant. Not only that, but I find DCT encourages more spirited driving on roads because it's just so effortless to act like a hooligan. And the benefits in traffic? Almost priceless. |
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DCTs at low speed
No question the DCT is going to be faster in spirited driving. How does the DCT operate in creeping bumper-bumper traffic where with a manual you can feather it or easily go in and out of neutral to control your speed?
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My thinking is that selecting the MT will make up for some of what I expect to be loss of visceral and connected feel with the F80 but I'm still on the fence. |
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The iDrive in the first picture is not an iDrive touch while the second one next to the DCT shifter.
As others have said there's way too much CF on the second picture although i doubt that's how the DCT shifter will come stock. Otherwise I am on the fence between the 2, MT is 70 lbs lighter, cheaper, rowing through gears is fun and having a clutch pedal adds a whole new "dimension" to driving. On the other hand DCT is the future; much faster, more fuel efficient and also a lot of fun when you turn the settings all the way up
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Have you ever driven a DCT? It does all of the above quite well...
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6MT for me.
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Agree Way too heavy
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I was 100% going Auto DCT, after a spirited drive in an auto I decided I wasn't quite so sure and I decided to maybe go manual, after a word with Tiff Needell I'm now definitely going manual.
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Dual clutch transmissions might be great, but for me it is like bringing a girl to a fast orgasm with a high tech vibrator.
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Hahaha! Good analogy.
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In NorCal, the clubs that go to the track have as many R8's as M3's in attendance. It's something to see 30 R8's roll onto a paddock. I'm not a true to the core Audi fanboy. It's just that for $49k they made a much more compelling car than BMW did in 2010 (335 lacked differentials, special interior/exterior treatment). The steering in my car got better when I aligned it aggressively for track use. BMW lost their steering advantage since they went electronic.
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I'm really OK with manual on a track because you do most of the course in 4th gear. There's 2-3 places where you can downshift to 3rd but honestly you don't always have to.
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Why are most used Porsches PDK? The DCT, I think, is better in pure auto mode only against the DSG/S-TRONiC/PDK because of its gearing ratio and they way it hooks up with the equities of the S65... I like DCT manual in S6 mode. The DSG fires faster to me. I drive my DCT in D3/S6 with sport+ on at all times and I still wish it was faster. Every time I get info my dual clutch car I reach for the third pedal |
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