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      05-15-2014, 07:24 PM   #45
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Very impressive. However, I'm raising the BS flag with it sounding like an S65 regardless of what exhaust is on it.
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      05-15-2014, 07:33 PM   #46
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From my understanding the full lap is slightly longer than the SportAuto lap (timed during industry sessions), which adds about 5-7 secs, as it allows full speed past one of the sets of stands (again used for entry/exit during industry sessions).

I remember reading this whole expose on Nurburgring times and how like at least 4 different distances are recorded and how factory drivers actually have 'ringers' - one example was the Cadillac CTS-V, which had a roll cage, suspension stiffened, and higher boost to deal with the higher elevations of the Nurburgring, with the goal being to beat the M3 (which it did by a few secs, but M3 was tested by Sport Auto). With all their Supertests, SportAuto takes a 100% stock car right from the showroom floor.

There are several videos of E9x M3s hitting in the low 7:50s BTG and lightly tuned ones (weight removal, suspension, brakes, tires) getting into the higher 7:30s and 7:40s. Once again, its about comparing things apples to apples.

We'll never know what BMW's actual Nurburgring times are with factory drivers. What we do know is that the E92 CRT and GTS do 7:48-7:50 (SportAuto), with similar weight/power ratios as the new M3/4, but both those vehicles have more hardcore suspension setups, so would expect an M3/M4 SportAuto time in low-mid 7:50s. Also the M3 tested in 2007 was a MT. We've never had a SportAuto test of an 2013 M3 with ZCP, DCT, PSSs and latest software (which was improved upon over the years).

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This is one of the best laps I've seen in a M6. It's a 8:05 lap and he does BTG in 7:44.

So here it's 21s added to a full lap on the BTG time.


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      05-15-2014, 07:38 PM   #47
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Its like with women. When a younger hotter women walks in the room(M3/M4) and grabs all the guys heads All the women snub her.(M5/M6/F30)
And when the M2 comes out (even younger and hotter) you will see more of the same - check out some of the 1M vs M3 threads.

It always seems to happen.
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LOL...cut them some slack. They spent $40k more, and they still can't get chicks. This is all they got.
HAHAHAHA

Dun understand all the hate from some M5 owners. I have the M5 and love the new M3/M4 to bits. I saw it at a private preview and really love what I saw and plan to get a M4 next year to go along with my M5! M5 is faster in the straights and M3 faster on tracks. Every generation has been the case, so I wonder why people even bother to argue. They focus on different things. No need to get all competitive.
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      05-15-2014, 07:44 PM   #49
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LOL...cut them some slack. They spent $40k more, and they still can't get chicks. This is all they got.
HAHAHAHA

Dun understand all the hate from some M5 owners. I have the M5 and love the new M3/M4 to bits. I saw it at a private preview and really love what I saw and plan to get a M4 next year to go along with my M5! M5 is faster in the straights and M3 faster on tracks. Every generation has been the case, so I wonder why people even bother to argue. They focus on different things. No need to get all competitive.
How is that e60 vs e90 where neck and neck in a straight line. I'll put money on it will be the case on f80/f10 in a straight line.
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faster than m5.
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      05-15-2014, 08:20 PM   #51
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Yep I agree anytime performance numbers are posted it is always a competition for M3/M4 and M5/M6 truth is I don't care I have a M5 CP and I will drive a M3 and M4 as it intrigues me if I like it better like better I will buy one either to replace or compliment my M5. This happens from both "camps" as soon as any M3/4 numbers are posted they start getting compared to the M5/6 as justification to spending less money for equal or better performance. If that's the case buy a caterham
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      05-15-2014, 08:34 PM   #52
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From Bimmerpost Members back in the day.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549428

Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/27/u...n-time-at-the/


On Estoril, Max Ahme, responsible for the chassis development at BMW M GmbH, said: With Competition Package, the M5 is 10 seconds faster on the Nordschleife (of the Nrburgring) This would mean the lap time dropped from 7 minute 55 to 7: 45.
"575 HP 2014 BMW M5 On-Track Review By Dutch FIA Champion Henny Hemmes" -The Auto Channel.Com

F13 M6 no Comp Pack 7:44 - BTG.
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html

There are no recorded times known for F13 M6 Comp Package around the Ring. But one can guess it would be a solid 10 seconds faster than 7:44 BTG. Putting it at, at least 7:34 BTG.
The forum posts, autoblog, and other sites were all driven by the same rumor.

The rumor started during a press event. It was never backed up by any data. When BMW were asked to confirm the 7:55 they responded that they don't quote lap times. There's no video and no data. BMW won't publish or even verbally confirm... you decide.

The ONLY way to know what the M6 comp will do is to test. I'd bet a grand or so it's not 10 sec faster BTG than the non comp. The F10 comp was 0.1 sec faster than the non-comp at Hockenheim short.

The M6 non comp was 0.3 sec slower than the M5 non comp at Hoeckheim short. THE M6 COMP WAS 0.4 sec SLOWER THAN THE M6 NON COMP at Hockenheim short.

My point is that you can't assume, you have to test. And the results aren't always what you would've predicted, and that the only reliable full ring time for the M5/6 that I know of is the 8:0x by sport auto.
Exactly! That's what I have been saying before but some people like to use fastestlap as the gold standard (got hammered on the M5 forum for saying Sport Auto tested E63 S at 7:55 and M5 non-CP was 8:05), which doesn't make any sense because they don't even test cars, they just grab whatever the fastest time they can find on the net, including claimed times.

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How is that e60 vs e90 where neck and neck in a straight line. I'll put money on it will be the case on f80/f10 in a straight line.
For real? I have never seen any such video. Will go look it up.
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To be fair 805 was with 6 speed for e92 as wellas on pPS2 tires. The f80 is likely with dct and super sports. Given tires alone could make up 10 seconds, I'm not sure we looking at a true huge gain
To be fair, Chris Harris beat the E92 time by 4.5 seconds on a 2.9 mile track. He posted on twitter today. Maybe the E92 driver had a hangnail that day, or had to brake for a family of ducks crossing the road. But this F8X will beat the old M3 on runflats.
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Comparing F8x M3/M4 to F10 M5 is like apples and oranges. These cars appeals to different demographic and tax bracket.
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Comparing F8x M3/M4 to F10 M5 is like apples and oranges. These cars appeals to different demographic and tax bracket.
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The F80 M3 is 900lbs lighter than an F10 M5 and it's still slower 0-60mph? WTF ///M Engineers?!
Not sure why you are surprised by this? The M5 has 7.55% more horsepower per pound,23.65% more torque and only is 5.13% faster to 60.
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Actually I've never seen a publication post a lap time of the E92 on that track..actually there are very few publication tests on the track of any car. Will be interesting to see, a true apples-to-apples comparison, which I must admit I haven't been seeing much of between the weight, nurburgring, and M5/M6 vs M3/4 threads.

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To be fair, Chris Harris beat the E92 time by 4.5 seconds on a 2.9 mile track. He posted on twitter today. Maybe the E92 driver had a hangnail that day, or had to brake for a family of ducks crossing the road. But this F8X will beat the old M3 on runflats.
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M2 = jailbait

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And when the M2 comes out (even younger and hotter) you will see more of the same - check out some of the 1M vs M3 threads.

It always seems to happen.
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To be fair 805 was with 6 speed for e92 as wellas on pPS2 tires. The f80 is likely with dct and super sports.
This is an important observation
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LOL !

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To be fair 805 was with 6 speed for e92 as wellas on pPS2 tires. The f80 is likely with dct and super sports. Given tires alone could make up 10 seconds, I'm not sure we looking at a true huge gain
To be fair, Chris Harris beat the E92 time by 4.5 seconds on a 2.9 mile track. He posted on twitter today. Maybe the E92 driver had a hangnail that day, or had to brake for a family of ducks crossing the road. But this F8X will beat the old M3 on runflats.
Wow Can't wait for Chris full report.
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Here we go again, every f***ing post about the new M3/4 over the last few days has ended up turning into yet another Vs M5/6 post with the same culprits responding every time a performance increment or time is posted about the new M3/4 obviously desperate to show how much faster their car is than these new cars.

M5/6 is faster in every respect than the new M3/4. Done. Now please go back to M5 board and stop boring the rest of us.
+1000

Boss & RIPM5 you guys are over this stuff like a rash. You've great cars guys, people claiming good times in the new M3/4 is not an attack on you or your cars. How petty do you need to be to change your sig to put down the excellent new cars, very low class man.
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To be fair 805 was with 6 speed for e92 as wellas on pPS2 tires. The f80 is likely with dct and super sports. Given tires alone could make up 10 seconds, I'm not sure we looking at a true huge gain
NO ... according to my informations ... this 8.05min were in the E92M3 configuration, that was standard at that time and this mean Michelin Sport Cup+ tyres, which is definetly an SEMI tyre !!!
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NO ... according to my informations ... this 8.05min were in the E92M3 configuration, that was standard at that time and this mean Michelin Sport Cup+ tyres, which is definetly an SEMI tyre !!!
Can you please elaborate your claim about Sport Cup tires? Standard configuration for M3 were always Michelin Pilot Sport 2...

I have never seen a reference of Sport Cups when they were talking/writing about this 8:05 lap done by Sport Auto (Horst von Saurma).
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