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      08-07-2013, 11:55 PM   #133
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side looks like same as e90.
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      08-08-2013, 05:30 AM   #134
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No sympathy here. You pay about 1/2 - 1/3 as much for your cars as we do ....
Same here in South Africa. We really pay for these cars!
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      08-08-2013, 05:39 AM   #135
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I think I like M3 sedan more than the M4 from all the spy photos of the 2 cars. The back of M4 doesn't look as good as the sedan to me. Kind of disappointed. Well, will see if the fully revealed M4 will look better.

Look at that rear fender flare on the M3 sedan. So aggressive look. Love it.

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      08-08-2013, 05:57 AM   #136
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In Palos Verdes, California an totally uncamouflaged silver F80M3 should be driving around ... sadly it was not photographed until now ... but please have an look at this region.
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      08-08-2013, 06:25 AM   #137
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Uli, why would they be wheeling around in a completely uncovered car that has not yet been revealed officially? Typically the only way we get to see a sneak peak at the final product is when it is caught during a promotional shoot. Is that what you mean - the car is being videoed in SoCal currently?
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      08-08-2013, 06:49 AM   #138
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Uli, why would they be wheeling around in a completely uncovered car that has not yet been revealed officially? Typically the only way we get to see a sneak peak at the final product is when it is caught during a promotional shoot. Is that what you mean - the car is being videoed in SoCal currently?
Somewhat like this must be the case ... the forums member who posted it in an german forum ... says he has seen the car in the morning together with 2 camouflage Minis and an black F80M3 with light camo.

Hope someone get an shot of this car like the 2er series coupe.
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      08-08-2013, 11:19 AM   #139
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Engine specs is what we are all dying to know
3-cylinder turbo from the i8 paired with a cage full of angry hamsters.

300 Horse Power (Combustion) engine + 150 Hamster Power = 450 HP total.
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      08-08-2013, 05:31 PM   #140
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      08-09-2013, 11:11 PM   #141
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hmmm. looks like M3/4 are not any wider than 3/4 regular. I see bigger/wider wheels, but the body work does not seem to be extended... hope I am wrong.
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      08-10-2013, 12:13 AM   #142
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hmmm. looks like M3/4 are not any wider than 3/4 regular. I see bigger/wider wheels, but the body work does not seem to be extended... hope I am wrong.
You can clearly see fender flares in the front and rear for both the M3/4 in various other spy shots that have been taken: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=602770
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      08-10-2013, 09:46 AM   #143
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Engine specs is what we are all dying to know
3-cylinder turbo from the i8 paired with a cage full of angry hamsters.

300 Horse Power (Combustion) engine + 150 Hamster Power = 450 HP total.
Based on its exhaust sound, you may be on to something. LOL
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      08-10-2013, 12:42 PM   #144
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I'm not so sure this is exactly correct. When there are different engine and transmission options those weights are quoted. If the automatic transmission is an option then yes the manual will be quoted. However, for the M4, I believe it may only be offered only with M-DCT (as the M5 is). Also I believe the curb weight does include a variety of things such as premium audio, leather, power seats, etc. in a way such that the maximums are captured by the specification. Leave that stuff out and you will end up with a car lighter than the given BMW figure.
In the US, we can get F1x M5/M6s with manual transmissions, the DCT is a $0 option. I would eat my shoe if the M3 didn't also come with a manual.

Curb weight typically doesn't include extra equipment like power seats, leather, etc. if you go for those options you end up with a heavier car. However, if you take your own car and measure it you will find it's a few pounds lighter than the official curb weight figure because that includes a full complement of fluids (gas, oil, brake fluid, washer fluid, etc.) as well as a full tank of gas and it also includes 75kg for a driver and some more for luggage. This is how German companies typically list curb weights, it's not so much the actual weight of the car as it is the amount you could expect it to weigh during a typical drive.

I was reading the US regulations for gas mileage testing and it said that a manufacturer can use optional equipment if it expects >33% of cars sold to have that particular option fitted. DCT vs manual doesn't really matter for this discussion on curb weights since BMW always lists the car's weight with both transmissions, but if they expect a lot of people to opt for a particular weight-saving option then they may be able to use it to achieve a lower curb weight figure but I don't think that's how it works. I'm pretty sure they have to stick with standard equipment when measuring curb weight, even though they will add a ton of weight onto it for the driver, luggage, etc.

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      08-10-2013, 05:38 PM   #145
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      08-10-2013, 07:27 PM   #146
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In the US, we can get F1x M5/M6s with manual transmissions, the DCT is a $0 option. I would eat my shoe if the M3 didn't also come with a manual.
Correcto, missed this on the bmwusa.com configurator.

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Curb weight typically doesn't include extra equipment like power seats, leather, etc.
I think we are both mostly speculating. Can you prove this? However, having the figure to account for the worst case scenario seems much more reasonable.

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However, if you take your own car and measure it you will find it's a few pounds lighter than the official curb weight figure because that includes a full complement of fluids (gas, oil, brake fluid, washer fluid, etc.) as well as a full tank of gas and it also includes 75kg for a driver and some more for luggage. This is how German companies typically list curb weights, it's not so much the actual weight of the car as it is the amount you could expect it to weigh during a typical drive.
Not quite correct. EU curb weight is with 90% fuel not 100%, it is also with 68 kg for the driver not 75 kg. Then there is 7 kg for cargo.

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I was reading the US regulations for gas mileage testing and it said that a manufacturer can use optional equipment if it expects >33% of cars sold to have that particular option fitted. DCT vs manual doesn't really matter for this discussion on curb weights since BMW always lists the car's weight with both transmissions, but if they expect a lot of people to opt for a particular weight-saving option then they may be able to use it to achieve a lower curb weight figure but I don't think that's how it works. I'm pretty sure they have to stick with standard equipment when measuring curb weight, even though they will add a ton of weight onto it for the driver, luggage, etc.
There has been quite some anecdotal evidence of cars weighed as per EU curb standard being lighter than spec, both E9X and E46 M3s. I believe this is because of things like power seats being included in the weight but they can be opted out.
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      08-11-2013, 01:46 AM   #147
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You can clearly see fender flares in the front and rear for both the M3/4 in various other spy shots that have been taken: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=602770
The M3 yes, obvious massive fender flares in the spy photos, but horrifyingly enough, the M4 spy shots do not look to be any wider in the rear. I am hoping and praying I am wrong on this, but by the looks of it, the M4 will follow suit with the M5/M6 and only get wider front fenders and use Series rear fenders.

Again, only speculation based on the spy shots I have seen.
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      08-11-2013, 08:37 AM   #148
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Well, as a complete surprise I saw an M4 mule in my local town... It's surprising because I live in a dull town in England, and I've got no idea why they come here.

The car appeared to be a German registered silver M4, though it was virtually completely wrapped with the swirly camo. It did appear to be RHD, but I couldn't swear to that.

It was slowing for a roundabout, so even though the engine was entirely unloaded it still sounded pretty good, with a bit of crackle and pop from the exhaust on a downshift... But I've always preferred the I6 to V8 sounds.

I saw it on the A45 as it enters Daventry from Rugby. I've seen a camo'd F20 before on the same stretch before.. I'd love to know why they test here!?
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      08-11-2013, 09:06 AM   #149
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t's surprising because I live in a dull town in England, and I've got no idea why they come here.

I'd love to know why they test here!?
B/c you live in a "dull town in England"

A week from today, hopefully we'll all be drooling over the M4 concept!!!
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Well, as a complete surprise I saw an M4 mule in my local town... It's surprising because I live in a dull town in England, and I've got no idea why they come here.

The car appeared to be a German registered silver M4, though it was virtually completely wrapped with the swirly camo. It did appear to be RHD, but I couldn't swear to that.

It was slowing for a roundabout, so even though the engine was entirely unloaded it still sounded pretty good, with a bit of crackle and pop from the exhaust on a downshift... But I've always preferred the I6 to V8 sounds.

I saw it on the A45 as it enters Daventry from Rugby. I've seen a camo'd F20 before on the same stretch before.. I'd love to know why they test here!?
No you are quite right. BMW do test new prototype vehicles in the UK and sometimes as RHD , both the i3 and i8 are testing in the UK currently.
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      08-11-2013, 07:55 PM   #151
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nice, alot of styling mixed between F30 and E90 bodies..i like alot
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      08-12-2013, 07:00 AM   #152
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No you are quite right. BMW do test new prototype vehicles in the UK and sometimes as RHD , both the i3 and i8 are testing in the UK currently.
Thanks Scott

I'll keep my eyes peeled for the i cars
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