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11-25-2017, 11:42 AM | #67 | |
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One of my friends has a DCT M2. We were driving up (M2/M3/M4 drive caravan) Monticello for BMW M Track days. She told us after the event she was going to sell her M2 to get a manual.
After spending the day driving the track, with a DCT M2 (and M3, M4, etc) - she changed her mind. She decided that to better focus on driving technique, she preferred the DCT
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17% shorter is quite significant. It means 17% more torque at the wheels, which is a lot considering the 6MT is already borderline traction wise in 1st gear.
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You are clearly a "DCT hater" (I am not intending this in an insulting manner) and you will build any rational argument to justify your emotions. You love rowing your own gears and using your foot to clutch. Nothing wrong with that and I can relate to it. My wife and I are presently in mourning because out last 6MT will be gone soon replaced by another dual clutch.
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Maybe you should re-read your own post yourself. You clearly insinuate that there is no point of driving a DCT in manual mode (because if you would, you'd rather row your own gears).
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11-25-2017, 12:53 PM | #76 | |
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I do like rowing my own gears, but also like the idea of the paddle shift. However, I don't like the idea of the paddle shift if I know it will annoy me when I use it in auto mode - that's half the point of having it is that you can use it in auto mode when you want to. But if it's going to irritate me when doing so, I don't want one as I do not see the point of using it in manual mode 100% of the time when I could have a real manual. If I could use it in manual mode 50% of the time and in auto mode 50% of the time provided it didn't annoy me, I'd probably be happy with one. I drove one 4 or 5 times before ordering a 6MT - probably because on the last drive it chopped down when it didn't need to. |
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11-25-2017, 08:04 PM | #78 | |
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Wife may still go F80 DCT individual route though.
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I can't really comment on the behavior of the DCT in auto because I've never driven it that way in 6 years because, like you, I prefer to shift gears myself and I don't like the programming ... but that's not actually true because I've never tried it, I just don't like the car shifting, anyway ... except for one time about 3 weeks ago ... It was weird scenario where I was hauling some stuff and ended up having to hold it with my shiftin hand so I just bumped it into auto. At first it was horrible and I was suffering mightily, but then I hit all the buttons to max out everything and then it seemed to drive normal. Anyway, my point is, I prefer to drive manually but there is an occasional scenario where I'd like the option of auto, so with the DCT I have that. All of that said, I still think the MT and DCT are different worlds and you really can't compare, and we shouldn't try, as much as I enjoy these threads. It just annoys me when people claiming to be purists argue the DCT is "a few milliseconds faster" thus invalidating their opinion of anything performance car related. That's like saying Bella Thorn is just "a tiny teensy bit" hotter than Lena Dunham. NOTE: For visualization purposes only - for safety, do not attempt comparison at home
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11-26-2017, 03:08 PM | #82 |
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Love these DCT vs 6MT threads.
I drove a 6MT M3 a mere few weeks ago and absolutely loved it. Unlike the F1X M5/M6, the 6MT did NOT feel like an after thought. The F8X is amazing in both guises. DCT is faster, 6MT is arguably more fun. My next M car will be a manual. |
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The M4 strikes me as a car that is well matched to either the DCT or the MT and neither seem out of place to me in that car. I'll have to admit that I would prefer that the M4 MT allowed you to defeat rev matching in all modes but all in all I think it is a good transmission and well suite to the car. I opted for the DCT in my M4 and don't regret that decision. Perhaps if I did not own and have access to cars with MT I would feel differently. We buy these cars because we want them, not because we need them. They go far beyond being basic transportation to get us where we need (or want) to go. If you are buying a car for the enjoyment of driving then you obviously you should get one you enjoy driving. Just don't assume that everyone would, or should, make the same choice that you did or that you are more knowledgeable or a more skilled driver than those who did not make the same choice.
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I can contribute this wisdom:
If I had gotten my F80 in 6MT, there is some slight chance I would get rid of it to go into a DCT. Instead I got it with the DCT and presently there's a 75% chance I'll be getting out of it in the spring largely due to the need to have a 6MT.
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