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If you haven't been to the factory you should go, but in the meantime watch the official online videos of the assembly from beginning to end - watching the whole thing is important IMO because building these cars is really fucking complicated and the robotics is batshit. They go from flat blank metal (or CF) to a fully functional car in one automated line. The $5,000 is paying for disrupting that enormous feat of engineering. Once I saw it live, $5k seems pretty fucking cheap, but just my opinion of course. As for the engine bay, the hood is not cleared, but the bay is the same color / process as every other engine bay. I just watched a bunch of them come down the line and they're all the same. I'll go check my moonstone ... I've never actually opened the hood! |
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And, for those paying money for a painted car, possibly/probably due to seeing another one done that way, why should their cost be the same yet final delivered product different. I really can't believe that concept, or curiosity as to why it happens, is difficult to understand. I fully appreciate both automated large scale automotive manufacturing as well as small scale or coach/hand-built factories. The process is the process at the former. If I ordered (demanded?) the car today, it went into production tomorrow and came out next Monday - yes interruption is likely incurred., but that only is the case at the second type of plant. With these orders at large scale automated facilities, all necessary parts will be injected into the stream as they are needed for JIT manufacturing - we order 12 - 18 or more weeks ahead of time, have to have paint approved; it's no surprise to BMW, their line managers, their automated conveyors/sprayers/or staff. Our paint is in the supply stream and put into the rotation as the shell destined to become the individual car is stamped out/assembled, if not ahead of time for quality testing. They don't stop lines to pull each of these BMW painted individual cars; I'd wager 98.5%+ of the individual cars don't incur any line stoppages or interruptions. Individual interiors however - now that is a horse of a different color.
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our cars appear to have a base coat and a top coat ... Tanz appears to have 2 different base coats and a top coat. On my moonstone, the under-hood and engine bay are painted "Fueller Titan Silver" (fueller probably refers to the base coat): No clear No clear, and some bolt on parts are Fueller Schwartz, but the bay is Titan Notice no over spray of moonstone onto the titan silver - moonstone may have been hand painted (I do know my particular car was pulled off the line to be painted) Now on the Tanz the under-hood is an unknown blue base coat The engine bay and bolt on parts all appear to be Fueller Black or similar The Tanz is over Fueller Black and the addition of "Technik / Ausstattung" on the tag - fairly sloppy overspray compared to my Moonstone so probably robot painted
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Ok. Stupid question. What inferior is specced on the moonstone and what on the tanzanite?
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Given we have multiple people who've heard from (separate) factory staff (and mine was custom and she was specific), I have little doubt my moonstone was hand sprayed; in large part because it was one of the first 44 available allocations and second because it had production delays and BMWAG told me it was being "hand painted" as part of the update/status process (I was getting daily updates). And it looks like it or else the robots are a lot less exact / the process Regensburg is different now. I would also guess there's gradients of what "hand painted" means. Older robots maybe require more hand work / set up, newer robots and paint stations might be more automated. One example is on the tour, the quarter panels came in by robot on an overhead conveyor and dropped them off onto a giant 4-sided turnstile. On the opposite side was a worker who was hand assembling parts onto each quarter-panel and there was sign that said "F30" or "F80" as the parts rotated towards him. Is that "hand assembled"? I dunno. The Tanz looks clearly like sloppy robots and I saw a ton of frames in fueller schwartz so I'm guessing Tanz is line color like alpine or sakhir. As for the method, I can't see BMW publishing anything other than, "what is most efficient at the time of painting"
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My moonstone interior is sakhir orange and my Tanz interior is opal white with IM changes Plus I got an ///M car. Just so you know. ///M. If you didn't notice. FYI.
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Awesome to know that:
"nope, "fueller" is base coat - was told that by our guide (she was pretty knowledgable and knew every detail you can think of but ... you never know...)" Great Guts, there! I'm sure top dropped she's a stunner. Did you do CCB's? Aesthetically, they rock on Tanzanite/Opal!
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hey thanks! No CCBs ... I beat the shit out of these and don't want to worry about damage or replacing them. If you haven't seen, it's interesting to watch the ///M axels with CCBs come down the line mixed in with the rest - the CCBs are rubber covered discs and calipers, whereas the ///M steel just have the discs covered.
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It's funny to think that some people believe your paint should hold up to rock chips at 70+ MPH on the track.
Unless your car is made of solid gold paint, I highly doubt it. If you think BMW paints are soft, go be a detailer for Lexus cars. Stop BSing. P.S. My underhood isn't polished. It's painted but not clear at all. I think it's a base paint for BMW's version of Grigio Medio.
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I find it interesting that on my moonstone there is zero overspray whereas on my Tanz the overspray is significant. I think the moonstone was hand sprayed. i'm curious if you have overspray or not and would love to see your individual tag and what your Fueller is. |
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Interesting ... Now I'd love to see an M4 IM exterior color engine bay and tag ...
I'm forming a theory that munich cars get pulled off the line and (some way) fully painted versus other factories the use partial methods ... |
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Here's the thing I'm wondering about ... Arcades's IM grigio clearly has the full frame painted, so it would be great to get this same photo but of, say, a Sakhir car to see it has the same sloppy paint line over Schwarz (i.e., black). That would help confirm the theory that the sloppy overspray indicates a normal line painted car ...
Arcades' car:
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I know if won't be much of a contributing post, but I am curious nonetheless. If this thread is still around in a few months I'll get a picture of my car when it comes it. Although I would think it would follow the same guidelines at GrussGott's Moonstone, as I mine will most likely have to be pulled from the line. Ordered Atlantis Metallic. At least from what I have gathered reading this thread more common IM cars are line panted Tanz being a good example vs something like Moonstone or Atlantis. Someone remind me to take photos of my engine bay when my car comes in lol.
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When I ordered my Tanzanite M4 ( M4 are built in Munich, M3 & M4 Convertible at Regensburg) it had an original estimated delivery date of mid August. There was then a 10 week delay because - dealer quote - "the individual paint line robots are being upgraded". So it seems that at the Munich factory at least, the regular 'Individual' paints are applied by robot. No pictures of the underhood because my car hasn't arrived yet.
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As I understand it, post painting, the painted frames sit in a storage building (3 weeks?) to cure. It's right across the (internal) street from the main factory. In another bit of news, Wah finally decided to make a useful contribution to the forum and posted this, which shows Sakhir and a fully painted engine frame unlike my Regensburg convertible individual cars, and his underhood is also fully painted and fully clear-coated unlike mine. In other words, Wah's standard M4 Sakhir, and Arcades's individual M3 Grigio Medio were painted with the exact same technique, but possibly on different lines with robots ... but technique-wise no difference between individual and standard: full frame painting, full hood painting ... so either Munich and Regensburg always paint different due to different robots or convertibles always get painted different. Quote:
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I sure got a lot of people all wound up about this haha! This kinda makes me wonder if anyone has an underside of their trunk painted fully. I remember there was a thread about that.
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