Why is Euro MDM less intrusive than US MDM?

[///MPE]

My Question ^^^

[audioMeth]

american's love to sue because no one protected them from their own stupidity, thats my guess.

[TurboM]

Originally Posted by nuespeedgti

american's love to sue because no one protected them from their own stupidity, thats my guess.

"Accountability" will be removed from the english dictionary in the very near future...

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by nuespeedgti

american's love to sue because no one protected them from their own stupidity, thats my guess.

I go with this one, I think euro MDM is less intrusive because Americans likes to sue.

Here in Asia we get Euro version BMWs, so that means Asians better driver than Americans too?

I think it's liability reasons.

[MSport_Jon]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

I go with this one, I think euro MDM is less intrusive because Americans likes to sue.

Here in Asia we get Euro version BMWs, so that means Asians better driver than Americans too?

I think it's liability reasons.

I dont think so... You can sue here in Germany as well. Law suits exists everywhere. The Germans do not like to brag about it and you will not see them in the front cover of newspapers the same way you would in the US.

I think the roads are in way better condition in Germany than in the US despite the fact that you cannot get on one autobahn and go from point A to point B without encountering the damn construction zones... There is a lower margin of error caused by foreign debris, external conditions, different road building practices. ect. And hence you do not want to enable a driver that is supposed to have check systems behave in a way to is not adequate for the environment where it is supposed to operate.

Also, we do not know if a vehicle from Germany has the same exact MDM setting by default from a vehicle that is sold say Czech Republic. Not sure at this time but the MDM coding is a little more granular than just a generic setting from US to ECE in some areas. They could be different. I dont know one sane driver that would drive the same way in a Czech back country road as he would in a German back country road. That is because you start driving from country to country and the condition of the infrastructure becomes obviously different.

Also, i have driven in Korea and Japan... The japanese are mode cordial to other drivers than the South Koreans but nothing to write home about. Dont get me started talking about Thailand, India and China when it comes to driving... Just NUTs...

and NO. You do not get the European versions of BMW platforms. you guys have your own...

[kyleb350]

I doubt it's for liability reasons. When you're in MDM mode in either continent, you've disabled stability systems which I'm sure can be verified after an accident.

I'd lean towards the US having more auto safety laws in general.

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LAWYERS

[DBACE]

Pretty much the same reason the Adaptive LED lights are not functional in this country, is the reason why the Dynamic Stability Control is more intrusive than in the European Nations.

The United States has the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard and is not part of the UN's version known as the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations.

Looking at the driving capability of some of the nations being compared to the US's and we all see a difference of ability. While it is an issue to some, taking the time to go to an appropriate place to turn it all off is worth it. I find no reason to be less intrusive, since I go somewhere I can negate it completely.

[dreventador]

Because 'murica.

Same reason I can't understand why our LED lights have limited brightness unless coded, our anti-dazzle is disabled, no laser lights yet, ugly reflectors on every edge of the car, can't close my windows with keyfob, brake force tail light flashing disabled & many more, but you get the point.

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Someone in Europe actually wants the amber side markers!
Coding F80 LCI II - Amber Side Markers in Adaptive LED Headlights http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1433109

[jpdchicago]

Definitely a liability issue. Way too many lawyers in this country. Where else in the world do you see warnings on coffee cups?

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Definitely a liability issue. Way too many lawyers in this country. Where else in the world do you see warnings on coffee cups?

Yea thanks Kramer

[Emcee]

Originally Posted by DBACE

Pretty much the same reason the Adaptive LED lights are not functional in this country, is the reason why the Dynamic Stability Control is more intrusive than in the European Nations.

The United States has the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard and is not part of the UN's version known as the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations.

Looking at the driving capability of some of the nations being compared to the US's and we all see a difference of ability. While it is an issue to some, taking the time to go to an appropriate place to turn it all off is worth it. I find no reason to be less intrusive, since I go somewhere I can negate it completely.

Seems this gentlemen is correct:

https://www.carsim.com/applications/fmvss126/index.php

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by MSport_Jon

I dont think so... You can sue here in Germany as well. Law suits exists everywhere. The Germans do not like to brag about it and you will not see them in the front cover of newspapers the same way you would in the US.

I think the roads are in way better condition in Germany than in the US despite the fact that you cannot get on one autobahn and go from point A to point B without encountering the damn construction zones... There is a lower margin of error caused by foreign debris, external conditions, different road building practices. ect. And hence you do not want to enable a driver that is supposed to have check systems behave in a way to is not adequate for the environment where it is supposed to operate.

Also, we do not know if a vehicle from Germany has the same exact MDM setting by default from a vehicle that is sold say Czech Republic. Not sure at this time but the MDM coding is a little more granular than just a generic setting from US to ECE in some areas. They could be different. I dont know one sane driver that would drive the same way in a Czech back country road as he would in a German back country road. That is because you start driving from country to country and the condition of the infrastructure becomes obviously different.

Also, i have driven in Korea and Japan... The japanese are mode cordial to other drivers than the South Koreans but nothing to write home about. Dont get me started talking about Thailand, India and China when it comes to driving... Just NUTs...

and NO. You do not get the European versions of BMW platforms. you guys have your own...

I highly doubt BMW individualized MDM settings for different countries.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ///MPE

My Question ^^^

It actually had more to do with Canada than the US. Once CMVSS was changed, "US MDM" was made the same.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

I highly doubt BMW individualized MDM settings for different countries.

Me neither....to comply with EU regs for electronic stability control, BMW produces a harmonised system for all EU markets.
While they may well be prepared to produce a more stringent system for a market that requests/requires it (USA), I strongly doubt they would provide other markets with a system that is less stringent (than the EU standard).

[jbwolfe]

Originally Posted by MSport_Jon

Also, i have driven in Korea and Japan... The japanese are mode cordial to other drivers than the South Koreans but nothing to write home about. Dont get me started talking about Thailand, India and China when it comes to driving... Just NUTs...

Concur about the Japanese cordiality but they are still poor at lane discipline (better than US drivers though). China is utter chaos- if you blink, you lose. Lanes are suggestions only, shoulders are fair game. Not too many speeders or hoonigans. Twenty years ago everyone had a bicycle. It was chaos then and that's where all the traffic habits evolved from.

[hellokitty]

Flashed the GTS MDM and was able to catch a WOT run today. SOLID chirp when shifting from 2nd to 3rd at full tilt. SATISFYING !! 95f+ degree weather helped these PSS's grip as well.