BMW M4 CS specs and photo leaked ahead of Auto Shanghai Motor Show debut

[Mr Friese]

Be prepared to pay over 100k for this one due to the "limited edition" tax.

[paliknight]

How does the frozen blue look

[jpics80]

http://www.live.bmwgroup.com/en/live-streaming/

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Dang. I missed that as well. It could be a typo though since it contradicts what we've all been thinking all along.

" but below the ultra-low-volume, stripped-out GTS specials typically launched toward the end of the life of selected M models "

[jelly6elly]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

I don't understand this obsession with race cars for grandpas. DCT is here to stay and will be the default transmission for any performance car going forward. This is a "Competition" version, why would it not have the faster transmission?

Of course DCT is here to stay. No doubt in that. But if you did understand, you would know that it's actually quite fun and engaging chugging through the gears on a car like an M3/M4, instead of mashing your right foot whenever you want to go fast (which is fine, if you prefer that.) It has nothing to do with grandpa or whatever you're saying; I've fell in love with stick ever since I drove my first stick car and never looked back.

I take my mountain bike on a trail nearby my house at times. These days I see people zooming through the trail on their motorized bikes. Sh*t they go fast as hell and does look fun at times, but would I get on one of those motorized ones? Hmmmm... nah. Am I a grandpa? Uh... no. Probably younger than you, frankly.

[RowanBuds]

Maybe I'm missing it but I didn't see anything in the press release about a CF hood. I figured it would be mentioned in the weight savings paragraph, but it's not there.

Is it possible that we're going to have a non-CF, GTS look alike hood available for purchase through OEM?? That'd be tits.

[bklounge]

Originally Posted by jelly6elly

Of course DCT is here to stay. No doubt in that. But if you did understand, you would know that it's actually quite fun and engaging chugging through the gears on a car like an M3/M4, instead of mashing your right foot whenever you want to go fast (which is fine, if you prefer that.) It has nothing to do with grandpa or whatever you're saying; I've fell in love with stick ever since I drove my first stick car and never looked back.

I take my mountain bike on a trail nearby my house at times. These days I see people zooming through the trail on their motorized bikes. Sh*t they go fast as hell and does look fun at times, but would I get on one of those motorized ones? Hmmmm... nah. Am I a grandpa? Uh... no. Probably younger than you, frankly.

+1

I'm 29 and i've only owned stick. Autos put me to sleep.

Do not get the appeal of the DCT at all, considering most guys don't track their cars. The stop and go traffic argument holds some merit, but still not worth the slight increase in comfort vs the total loss of driving engagement. But that's just me

[stefan]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

I don't understand this obsession with race cars for grandpas. DCT is here to stay and will be the default transmission for any performance car going forward. This is a "Competition" version, why would it not have the faster transmission?

Huh? I didn't know race cars came with navigation and 20" wheels and plush leather.

Oh wait it's actually not a race car. It's limited edition GT car where the focus is supposed to be on driver enjoyment. I guess if numbers on paper increase our enjoyment then yes I totally get that.

But I would suspect less than 1% of us here on the boards laps a specific track often enough and well enough to actually see reduced lap times from a dct transmission versus more engaging manual transmission. You realize how absurd it is to want to get the fastest possible transmission over a more fun transmission when you aren't even a competitor?

If you were really interested in lap times the first thing you'd do is sell the ridiculous wheels and get 18" lightweights with r comps. That alone would make you much quicker than a transmission swap.

This CS is ridiculous and barely improves the formula to warrant what will be an enormous price tag. It will undoubtedly sell out but BMW clearly phoned it in on this one. It's just lazy at this point. But good for them it will market well and sell out.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

says right in the text... " limited-edition Club Sport "

" BMW’s M performance-car division reveals the new 454-hp M4 CS, heralding a new line of limited-edition Club Sport models positioned above the existing range of standard M models but below the ultra-low-volume, stripped-out GTS specials typically launched toward the end of the life of selected M models. "

Yup, I read that too. Note that I posted this before that "press release leak" . If the ~800 unit GTS is ultra-low volume, let's see what "limited edition" means .

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bklounge

Ex 1m owner here. Put a deposit down on the M2 CS last month with the intent of buying only if it's manual. Don't give a shit if DCT is 0.2 seconds faster - there's tunes for that Still hoping bmw surprises us all

*shrug* to be honest with you... the answer is more than likely not.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by jelly6elly

Of course DCT is here to stay. No doubt in that. But if you did understand, you would know that it's actually quite fun and engaging chugging through the gears on a car like an M3/M4, instead of mashing your right foot whenever you want to go fast (which is fine, if you prefer that.) It has nothing to do with grandpa or whatever you're saying; I've fell in love with stick ever since I drove my first stick car and never looked back.

I take my mountain bike on a trail nearby my house at times. These days I see people zooming through the trail on their motorized bikes. Sh*t they go fast as hell and does look fun at times, but would I get on one of those motorized ones? Hmmmm... nah. Am I a grandpa? Uh... no. Probably younger than you, frankly.

that's funny how you say " DCT is here to stay. " .. . Automatic transmissions have been around for a long time. . it's not like they are a new thing..

[W///]

Originally Posted by 03BeastCharmer

5 years ago Lime Rock was an orange color, now it's grey?? Or I guess that was a Lime Rock edition, not a color.

The color was Fire Orange

[CanAutM3]

At the heart of the new M4 CS is the most powerful version of BMW M division’s twin-turbocharged 3.0L inline 6-cyl. gasoline engine yet. Fitted with a more free-flowing exhaust and other as-yet-unspecified modifications, it develops 454 hp and 442 lb.-ft (600 Nm) of torque, trumping the standard M4’s powerplant by 29 hp and 37 lb.-ft. (50 Nm) and the competition package engine tuning available on the recently facelifted M4 by 10 hp and a similar 37 lb.-ft.

I am eager to find out more about the engine specs and power-torque cruves. The fact that the CS engine may have 37lb-ft more than the regular AND CP M4, indicates it will have a rather beefier power curve than the the CP and would mean better acceleration over the CP than the meagre 10hp increase over the CP suggest.

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Yup, I read that too. Note that I posted this before that "press release leak" . If the ~800 unit GTS is ultra-low volume, let's see what "limited edition" means .

Isn't the 30-Jahre limited edition? What is the count on that, 500?

I guess CS will be more than 500, and 800.

[W///]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am eager to find out more about the engine specs and power-torque cruves. The fact that the CS engine may have 37lb-ft more than the regular AND CP M4, indicates it will have a rather beefier power curve than the the CP and would mean better acceleration over the CP than the meagre 10hp increase over the CP suggest.

This car seems to tick every box for you!

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by stefan

Huh? I didn't know race cars came with navigation and 20" wheels and plush leather.

Oh wait it's actually not a race car. It's limited edition GT car where the focus is supposed to be on driver enjoyment. I guess if numbers on paper increase our enjoyment then yes I totally get that.

But I would suspect less than 1% of us here on the boards laps a specific track often enough and well enough to actually see reduced lap times from a dct transmission versus more engaging manual transmission. You realize how absurd it is to want to get the fastest possible transmission over a more fun transmission when you aren't even a competitor?

If you were really interested in lap times the first thing you'd do is sell the ridiculous wheels and get 18" lightweights with r comps. That alone would make you much quicker than a transmission swap.

This CS is ridiculous and barely improves the formula to warrant what will be an enormous price tag. It will undoubtedly sell out but BMW clearly phoned it in on this one. It's just lazy at this point. But good for them it will market well and sell out.

I subscribe to the theory that paddle shifting benefits a novice more than an experienced track rat... But this discussion feels off topic so I'll move on.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

"San Marino Blue metallic, Lime Rock Grey metallic, Alpine White, Sapphire Black metallic and Frozen Dark Blue II"

Awesome.

"Early 2018".

Drat!

Any idea on pricing?

The strange thing is that Scott26 said in an earlier post that the M4 CS was getting a new BMW blue color.

[georgere]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

I don't understand this obsession with race cars for grandpas. DCT is here to stay and will be the default transmission for any performance car going forward. This is a "Competition" version, why would it not have the faster transmission?

With all due respect, Porsche was saying the same thing and now is offering their GT3 with manual. This is what pple want really.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Let's see if the official car is close to these renders I've done a couple of months ago... http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1343528

I speculated that it would have the M4 GTS hood and rear Oleds but there were quite some skeptical people about these.

Also it would be a big disappointment if were not offered with a manual. Even Porsche realised the error and offered that option in their new GT3...

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Ankstorkhan

First official image! From http://m.wardsauto.com/technology/bm...odel-m4-lineup

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WAIT.....You mean San Marino Blue is included in the purchase price and I won't have to pay $5,000 more for it?

Wonder what the price will be?????

This looks interesting.

: dance:

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by stefan

Huh? I didn't know race cars came with navigation and 20" wheels and plush leather.

Oh wait it's actually not a race car. It's limited edition GT car where the focus is supposed to be on driver enjoyment. I guess if numbers on paper increase our enjoyment then yes I totally get that.

But I would suspect less than 1% of us here on the boards laps a specific track often enough and well enough to actually see reduced lap times from a dct transmission versus more engaging manual transmission.

You realize how absurd it is to want to get the fastest possible transmission over a more fun transmission when you aren't even a competitor?

If you were really interested in lap times the first thing you'd do is sell the ridiculous wheels and get 18" lightweights with r comps. That alone would make you much quicker than a transmission swap.

This CS is ridiculous and barely improves the formula to warrant what will be an enormous price tag. It will undoubtedly sell out but BMW clearly phoned it in on this one. It's just lazy at this point. But good for them it will market well and sell out.

SO much here.. excellent post.

Except I won't say the CS is ridiculous... because so many people called the M4 GTS the same.
The simple fact is that there IS a market for multiple versions of sports cars today.

Stock - M4 - sporty, luxurious version of the 4 series
M4 Comp pack - slight performance bump and minor cosmetics
M4 CS - additional performance but DCT for the " wanna go faster " types
M4 GTS- technological tour de force - full on track car

I just hope that BMW decides to follow the same for the M2 (with no comp pack likely).

stock M2- sporty version of the M2
M2 ZL9- slight performance bump (suspension only) and minor cosmetics
M2 CS - additional performance but DCT for the " wanna go faster " types
M2 GTS - just put a window sticker on the M2 safety car -

I just hope that an M2 GTS gets handicapped with a manual so that it doesn't outperform the M4 GTS.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I wonder how extensive Club Sport models will be across the M vehicle lineup.