DIY: F8x Software Update Tips

aboulfad · 04-29-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hakcar

...Do remember though that there's an assessment period to build up a basis for adaptations when changing a map, or upgrading the DME firmware, so while your charcoal liner delete certainly makes sense, it ...

If i am not mistaken, you are both referring to the air element filter for both cylinder banks, part 3 in https://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/search...M4/USA/02_0070. Arent these filters kinda important to keep ? (don't know much about tuning so its an innocent q).

hakcar · 04-29-2017, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

If i am not mistaken, you are both referring to the air element filter for both cylinder banks, part 3 in https://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/search...M4/USA/02_0070. Arent these filters kinda important to keep ? (don't know much about tuning so its an innocent q).

They only exist in North America, so if you're part of the EPA, then yes, they're important to keep.

aboulfad · 04-29-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hakcar

They only exist in North America, so if you're part of the EPA, then yes, they're important to keep.

Hmmm, both ETK and real OEM shows them for ECE and US variants.

https://www.etkbmw.com/bmw/EN/search...M4/ECE/13_1612

hakcar · 04-29-2017, 07:51 PM

Hmm, and ISTA seems to lack mention of the liner in either ECE or US air filter procedure docs...

I wonder where I first read that it was NA only...

I did find this guide that entails removing (and not replacing) them when doing drop-ins, which I believe was the guide I followed when doing my drop-in installation (was one of my first mods)...

I wonder if a RoW F8X driver who's done her/his own drop-in installation can chime in as to whether they exist on ECE cars since the communal ETK user account disappeared a few months ago...

edit: oh, and the "air filter element" in the diagrams on realoem and etkbmw is the main filter, not the extremely thin fibrous filter that clips on to the (top?) housing of the actual panel. Running without the "air filter element" would indeed be pretty silly! (but that woooosh!)

aboulfad · 04-29-2017, 07:54 PM

search ISTA, and you'll find the repair/install doc for air filter, it's there. I have ETK desktop, so I'll check later on. I thought those filters are important to keep because they also protect engine from air contaminants.

Wait, what liner are you talking about?

Celestion · 04-29-2017, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

see my answer above http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=281, Rheingold production date isn't Zeitkriterium.

Right. My Rheingold production date changed from 10/2015 to 07/2015 after the euro flash. It appears that my zeitgeistheizeachtungklipsch has always been 07/2015 in E-SYS (which didn't realize was normal until seeing your post). So the only odd thing now is that my changed Rheingold date.

hakcar · 04-29-2017, 08:11 PM

Found a thread going into some detail about it. Seems to be North America only.

hakcar · 04-29-2017, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

search ISTA, and you'll find the repair/install doc for air filter, it's there. I have ETK desktop, so I'll check later on. I thought those filters are important to keep because they also protect engine from air contaminants.

Wait, what liner are you talking about?

this one (note the orange surround of the actual air filter in the edge of the pic):

aboulfad · 04-29-2017, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hakcar

Found a thread going into some detail about it. Seems to be North America only.

I'll continue that discussion in the thread you found, however it is hearsay... I am re-downloading ETK desktop and will do a thorough search.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=10

aboulfad · 04-29-2017, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Celestion

So the only odd thing now is that my changed Rheingold date.

Decode your vin and check that it is the same production date as in Rheingold, if it isn't I don't know how that happened!

Celestion · 04-29-2017, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

Decode your vin and check that it is the same production date as in Rheingold, if it isn't I don't know how that happened!

Yep, did that last night as a sanity check. Per bimmer.work my production date is 10/14/2015. When I connect my car to Rheingold my production date is 7/1/2015. First image is from bimmer.work. The second image is from the operations report of ISTA (don't feel like going to my car right now).

Celestion · 04-29-2017, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hakcar

Do you notice any differences in the throttle response in Comfort mode in particular?

I drive in Sport+ throttle 90% of the time, so I don't have a good mental baseline for Comfort mode. I just drove about 25mi in comfort mode to see what I could assess and it does seem improved in the same ways that Sport+ was - more responsive especially at the low end. Those filters I removed seemed fairly restrictive in-hand.

aboulfad · 04-30-2017, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Celestion

I drive in Sport+ throttle 90% of the time, so I don't have a good mental baseline for Comfort mode. I just drove about 25mi in comfort mode to see what I could assess and it does seem improved in the same ways that Sport+ was - more responsive especially at the low end. Those filters I removed seemed fairly restrictive in-hand.

Off-topic, but my research (posted in http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1311128) showed all Ms in all markets have those filters installed, of course you are entitled to do whatever you wish with your car

Celestion · 04-30-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

Off-topic, but my research (posted in http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1311128) showed all Ms in all markets have those filters installed, of course you are entitled to do whatever you wish with your car

For whoever reads this, the mystery has been solved*. In theory it should be safe to remove the liners when using the EU DME swfl.

Edit: NVM, the mystery continues!

aboulfad · 04-30-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Celestion

For whoever reads this, the mystery has been solved. In theory it should be safe to remove the liners when using the EU DME swfl.

Is it

? Let's erase our posts when it's figured out to reduce the noise on this thread

however what we discovered is that there is this charcoal liner that isn't listed in ETK for any market, and is an additional piece housed in the upper part of the intake silencer on top of the air filter element!

Celestion · 04-30-2017, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aboulfad

Is it

? Let's erase our posts when it's figured out to reduce the noise on this thread

however what we discovered is that there is this charcoal liner that isn't listed in ETK for any market, and is an additional piece housed in the upper part of the intake silencer on top of the air filter element!

No problem! I edited the post.

hakcar · 05-01-2017, 01:29 PM

Does anyone have a bead yet on the delta for the M3/M4 from 61.2 to 61.3?

I should find out later today and will be glad to share, but figured I'd save myself the trouble if someone already knows it's a negligible version iteration for our cars (e.g. ACSM only).

aboulfad · 05-01-2017, 03:16 PM

very little (I only keep F020 kiswb/mainseries)

hakcar · 05-01-2017, 05:44 PM

Yep, 61.2 to 61.3 seems trivial, with neither powertrain nor kinematics version bumps.

Shame, as I was hoping for some M4 CSL goodies. [edit: by way of choices in the CAFDs that are in our ECUs, thus at least entailing a cdDeploy stage and possibly also an swfl stage for relevant ECUs...]

Almaretto · 05-01-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hakcar

Does anyone have a bead yet on the delta for the M3/M4 from 61.2 to 61.3?

I should find out later today and will be glad to share, but figured I'd save myself the trouble if someone already knows it's a negligible version iteration for our cars (e.g. ACSM only).

F020 I-Step is unchanged. That is usually a sign of negligible changes.

TomaGo · 06-01-2017, 04:31 AM

Hello,

I need your help please !

I have flash my DDE module (engine) with the last version of EsysFull and the procedure from this thread. The flash finish sucessfully.

But now i have a lots of errors :
- Handbrake
- ABS
- Automatic PDC
- Start&Stop

If i clear the errors they are back immediatly

What could be the root cause and how can i solve this ?

Thanks for your answers :-)

Thomas

aboulfad · 06-01-2017, 05:38 AM

Salut TomaGo ,
Are you sure your DME was flashed successfully? Do you have the text that was displayed in Esys at the end?

Usually there are lots of similar errors as yours after flashing DME or any other ECU, because the communication is interrupted on the bus, so you will see lots of signal, interface,... errors.

Did you switch off car, let it sleep for maybe 10-15mns and check again with ISTA? The top three errors though are troublesome and you should not have gotten them, so something else happened. Did you scan your car with ISTA before you attempted to flash DME, and why did you flash DME? And was it the only ECU you flashed?

Please answer all questions if you you want help

Bonne chance!

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hakcar on hiatus 63 Rep 106 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Hmm, and ISTA seems to lack mention of the liner in either ECE or US air filter procedure docs... I wonder where I first read that it was NA only... I did find this guide that entails removing (and not replacing) them when doing drop-ins, which I believe was the guide I followed when doing my drop-in installation (was one of my first mods)... I wonder if a RoW F8X driver who's done her/his own drop-in installation can chime in as to whether they exist on ECE cars since the communal ETK user account disappeared a few months ago... edit: oh, and the "air filter element" in the diagrams on realoem and etkbmw is the main filter, not the extremely thin fibrous filter that clips on to the (top?) housing of the actual panel. Running without the "air filter element" would indeed be pretty silly! (but that woooosh!) Last edited by hakcar; 04-29-2017 at 07:59 PM..
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aboulfad Brigadier General 1593 Rep 3,945 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 MG/SO Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: MTL, QC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW M4 [10.00]	search ISTA, and you'll find the repair/install doc for air filter, it's there. I have ETK desktop, so I'll check later on. I thought those filters are important to keep because they also protect engine from air contaminants. Wait, what liner are you talking about?
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hakcar on hiatus 63 Rep 106 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Does anyone have a bead yet on the delta for the M3/M4 from 61.2 to 61.3? I should find out later today and will be glad to share, but figured I'd save myself the trouble if someone already knows it's a negligible version iteration for our cars (e.g. ACSM only).
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aboulfad Brigadier General 1593 Rep 3,945 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 MG/SO Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: MTL, QC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW M4 [10.00]	very little (I only keep F020 kiswb/mainseries) Attached Images
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hakcar on hiatus 63 Rep 106 Posts Drives: F82 Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Yep, 61.2 to 61.3 seems trivial, with neither powertrain nor kinematics version bumps. Shame, as I was hoping for some M4 CSL goodies. [edit: by way of choices in the CAFDs that are in our ECUs, thus at least entailing a cdDeploy stage and possibly also an swfl stage for relevant ECUs...] Last edited by hakcar; 05-01-2017 at 05:50 PM..
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TomaGo Private First Class 91 Rep 183 Posts Drives: BMW X4 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: France iTrader: (0)	Hello, I need your help please ! I have flash my DDE module (engine) with the last version of EsysFull and the procedure from this thread. The flash finish sucessfully. But now i have a lots of errors : - Handbrake - ABS - Automatic PDC - Start&Stop If i clear the errors they are back immediatly What could be the root cause and how can i solve this ? Thanks for your answers :-) Thomas Last edited by TomaGo; 06-01-2017 at 04:36 AM..
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aboulfad Brigadier General 1593 Rep 3,945 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 MG/SO Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: MTL, QC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 BMW M4 [10.00]	Salut TomaGo , Are you sure your DME was flashed successfully? Do you have the text that was displayed in Esys at the end? Usually there are lots of similar errors as yours after flashing DME or any other ECU, because the communication is interrupted on the bus, so you will see lots of signal, interface,... errors. Did you switch off car, let it sleep for maybe 10-15mns and check again with ISTA? The top three errors though are troublesome and you should not have gotten them, so something else happened. Did you scan your car with ISTA before you attempted to flash DME, and why did you flash DME? And was it the only ECU you flashed? Please answer all questions if you you want help Bonne chance!
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