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Mercedes new little 2.0 liter turbo is already putting down near 400 crank hp/torque with just a tune (basing this off renntech tuning). Personally I'd rather see a truly high-revving little number, like an 8,000-9,000 rpm 2.0 liter turbo engine that somehow maintains boost at the top-end. Anyway, i get your comments on NVH. I owned a K20z3 honda engine that was revved out to 8300 rpms everyday and it really did not exhibit VH (and it was pretty good sounding for a 4-banger), so I guess my prejudice has been lightened. |
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We are comparing a car that is an experiment based solely on efficiency and a motorcycle to what is a definitive drivers car, right?
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Regarding the B58 being associated with the *40i badge only, well, it is certainly possible that BMW will use the opportunity to bump the F3x models to 330i/430i and 340i/440i to keep pace with Mercedes new W205 C300 and C400 designations. The problem with cutting cylinders is who wants to be the first to take the step? Ok, sure the F8x will see the turbo I6 go against Mercedes C63 turbo V8 but that's been the case in past generations too (minus the turbo-chargers) and we should still expect expect other competitors like Audi and Infiniti to be six cylinders just like the M3/M4. With your bread and butter cars like the 3 and 5 series you can't necessarily afford to take such risks. That's why I mention the need for a hybrid power train. Granted the new E class I6 is not expected to have a hybrid variant, necessarily. But it is rumored to be over 400hp still, and plus other players in this segment such as the Lexus GS and Cadillac CTS are already flying sans V8. No one in the hotly contested entry lux segment where the 3 Series reigns is giving up the six yet. Though Volvo is in the process now, but then they are moving their entire fleet to I4 only. |
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Think about that, by the way. A Golf with just 25hp less than the F8x, AWD, and probably weighing the same or less. It's going to be built in tiny quantities and not sold in the US, but it still has potential to really change the game. And the RS3 and TT RS will of course be more widely available. If you look beyond the car and just consider the power train, it is a much more serious proposition. Replace the the I3 with a ~300hp I4 and you have a future bread-and-butter BMW power train. The M3 swaps in a 200hp/L I4 perhaps, while the M5 uses a 200hp/L I6. |
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Recently, AMG chief Tobias Moers was asked if there would ever be a 6-cylinder C63 AMG.
His response: Never. I think a turbo 4-cylinder in something like the M2 would be cool though. The A45/CLA45/GLA45 have been successful with that formula thus far.
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I would love a manufacturer in the $60-90k range to put out a small displacement v8 or (heaven forbid) v12. Something in the 2.9-4.0 liter range (depending upon # of cylinders)
I know, friction loss and manufacturing expense means it doesn't make sense....but damnit, I'm an enthusiast. None of my decisions make sense. |
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And it will have a 4.0L biturbo V8.
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Haha good point. But the 63 moniker will remain attached to the C-Class because of its value. According to AMG, anyway.
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And know just consider an Jetta R400 !? |
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I have to say Porsche does an amazing job with smaller engines than the competition extracting a lot of power, good mpg, and performance and nobody complains so why not with BMW. I have to agree with other posters that as long as I get the performance and feel that I want from a car I don't care how many cylinders are under the hood. As far as the sound the new M4 reminds me a lot of my Boxster S Spyder with sport exhausts. It sounded great and the farting was a lot of fun on downshifts. Bring on the Gasx
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Next M3 will probably be a hybrid with a 4 cylinder engine in the back, and an electric motor at the front.
Or it can very well be another I6
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True ! I had today this confirmation also by Email >http://www.telegraaf.nl/autovisie/au...ogelijk__.html
And after the 4-cylinder they throw a coffee grinder under the hood !
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I'm sure the next M will be some 4-cylinder hybrid electric craziness. I'm sure it will be awesome. I'm sure people will bemoan that it's less raw than the old skewl twin turbo six.
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i wish i was like you though. i wish i could say i dont care how many cylinders the car has. it would be easy to just go with the times. you will make a perfect f80 buyer |
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I will buy one if they downsize the 3 to e30 dimensions with body made out of carbon fiber tub and a healthy engine output at 300hp
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