Weirdest GTS ever?

guess2098 · 03-08-2021, 04:41 PM

I thought buyer has full responsibility as buyer inspects the car before they buy. Hiding accident record is different story. Most the time buy and sell is "as is"

Lienrocs · 03-08-2021, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by guess2098

I thought buyer has full responsibility as buyer inspects the car before they buy. Hiding accident record is different story. Most the time buy and sell is "as is"

I'm not how sure that's relevant though, just in this case. I would imagine anyone looking for a GTS knows what a GTS is and would immediately look at the car and know it's not right.

I think, if anything, the dealer got hosed through their fault or not. I know dealers are the enemy a lot of the time but I do feel bad for them in this case.

FormulaMMM · 03-08-2021, 05:11 PM

Feel for the dealer if they got hosed. But the right course of action from here is self evident, doesn't involve an oblivious ad and attempted sale at going market value.

Lienrocs · 03-08-2021, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Feel for the dealer if they got hosed. But the right course of action from here is self evident, doesn't involve an oblivious ad and attempted sale at going market value.

I absolutely agree with that. The dealer should edit the listing and price accordingly.

But, assuming the dealer knocks off about 30-40k for all the missing parts, this would be a great buy for someone who wants a track car and was planning on swapping out some of the oem stuff for track work anyways. (Brakes, seats, aero adjustments).

I think this car is screaming for a GT4 conversion.

FormulaMMM · 03-08-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

I absolutely agree with that. The dealer should edit the listing and price accordingly.

But, assuming the dealer knocks off about 30-40k for all the missing parts, this would be a great buy for someone who wants a track car and was planning on swapping out some of the oem stuff for track work anyways. (Brakes, seats, aero adjustments).

I think this car is screaming for a GT4 conversion.

Agreed, as long as the water injection system hasn't also been pillaged and the KW's swapped for passive dampers!

Not one to buy sight unseen...

Lienrocs · 03-08-2021, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

I absolutely agree with that. The dealer should edit the listing and price accordingly.

But, assuming the dealer knocks off about 30-40k for all the missing parts, this would be a great buy for someone who wants a track car and was planning on swapping out some of the oem stuff for track work anyways. (Brakes, seats, aero adjustments).

I think this car is screaming for a GT4 conversion.

Agreed, as long as the water injection system hasn't also been pillaged and the KW's swapped for passive dampers!

Not one to buy sight unseen...

The KW's are already passive but I would need to see the knuckles. But I'd swap them out for some super trick stuff like ohlins or MCS, again if the dealer knocked off 30k and you wanted to go full Racecar.

FormulaMMM · 03-08-2021, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

The KW's are already passive but I would need to see the knuckles. But I'd swap them out for some super trick stuff like ohlins or MCS, again if the dealer knocked off 30k and you wanted to go full Racecar.

I mean base F80 passive suspension

Point is, what aren't we seeing. But yeah, good candidate for full race car at the right price.

Lienrocs · 03-08-2021, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

The KW's are already passive but I would need to see the knuckles. But I'd swap them out for some super trick stuff like ohlins or MCS, again if the dealer knocked off 30k and you wanted to go full Racecar.

I mean base F80 passive suspension

Point is, what aren't we seeing. But yeah, good candidate for full race car at the right price.

Gotcha. I forgot you could even get passive dampers on an F80! Haha.

4play · 03-08-2021, 06:58 PM

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I would personally sue if I had just bought that car from them and find out they knew the parts were missing.

Dealership would win. Summary judgement.

Nothing in their ad is fraudulent or false advertising. The car is an M4 GTS.

Some parts have been swapped, but unless the dealer is specifically falsely advertising OLED taillights, carbon brakes, etc (things that are not present), you have no case.

When you sign purchase documents on a used car, one of the required documents is the FTC Buyers Guide, which states the car is sold as-is with no warranty. It is up to the buyer to be informed.

They're not going to change the price or the (limited) description. They're looking for a dumb schlub to walk in and buy it without asking any questions. Then that poor sap will come on here and realize he bought a hamstrung GTS.

PolishM3 · 03-08-2021, 07:28 PM

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the trunk popped up for sale from the same guy with the seats

I reached out to the buyer of the seats to see if it was from that car and he's ghosted me. Where did he post the trunk?

Gomeler · 03-08-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lienrocs

I absolutely agree with that. The dealer should edit the listing and price accordingly.

But, assuming the dealer knocks off about 30-40k for all the missing parts, this would be a great buy for someone who wants a track car and was planning on swapping out some of the oem stuff for track work anyways. (Brakes, seats, aero adjustments).

I think this car is screaming for a GT4 conversion.

I naively assume the car is probably worth $65k based on low mileage F82 Competitions. Would make for an expensive donor car for a caged track build, but it would be fricking sweet.

Just need it to drop to $30k so I can warrant gutting and caging it. Would be awesome to have a track beater GTS and a canyon GTS.

erictrainer · 03-09-2021, 05:01 AM

So..... what do you all think it's worth???? 30k off the listed price??? This obviously has no collector value but it's definitely worth more than a Competition. So what is it?

FormulaMMM · 03-09-2021, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by erictrainer

So..... what do you all think it's worth???? 30k off the listed price??? This obviously has no collector value but it's definitely worth more than a Competition. So what is it?

If we've captured everything that's missing, not sure that it's worth more than a comp in the current state. That's a seriously diminished GTS.

As the base for a track build, 50's comes to mind.

FormulaMMM · 03-09-2021, 07:05 AM

Given everything that was removed, interesting that one component appears to have been unnecessarily added to the car, a "wing spoiler."

And with that addition, it (arguably) comports in full with the Monroney label published by the dealer, unless I'm overlooking something.

Also appears certain obvious high value items that are specifically indicated on the label -- 666M + Cup 2, titanium exhaust, front and rear carbon fiber bumper inserts -- were bypassed.

PolishM3 · 03-09-2021, 03:31 PM

So spoke to the original owner, turns out the owner was looking to recoup some of the depreciation he incurred and took the parts to use on another vehicle build / sold the rest.

Studntloan · 03-09-2021, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PolishM3

So spoke to the original owner, turns out the owner was looking to recoup some of the depreciation he incurred and took the parts to use on another vehicle build / sold the rest.

At the end of the day..... cant blame him.... he also didnt sell it to the dealer, it went to auction... so not like he really went out of his way to screw anyone over.

cup half full I guess.

4play · 03-09-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Studntloan

he also didnt sell it to the dealer, it went to auction...

Don't see it on MMR. Obviously Manheim isn't the only auction around, but odd that it isn't on there.

WagonR · 03-09-2021, 11:23 PM

I mean, if the guy disclosed what he pulled off the car when he sent it to action, then that's fair. But, that's not the impression I get. Seems like he pulled stuff off that wouldn't be noticed and tried to make back money for the deprecation on the car. He owned it when the value went down, but he wants to trick someone else into paying for it? Not someone I'd want to deal with.

Obviously there's not much love for dealers, and bidders at actions should know what they're buying, but I'm not sure that makes it right. I hope anyone looking to drop 90K on a M4 GTS knows what they're looking for and will steer clear, and this current dealer will probably be left holding the bag, but again, the original seller was the one that started this bullshit to cover depreciation they experienced while owning the car...

FormulaMMM · 03-10-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Studntloan

At the end of the day..... cant blame him.... he also didnt sell it to the dealer, it went to auction... so not like he really went out of his way to screw anyone over.

cup half full I guess.

Yep, his prerogative. Not a fan of the apparent current shenanigans.

Secret Chimp · 03-10-2021, 01:29 PM

Private parties can't put cars into Manheim or similar auctions. So, unless he has an automotive business, he most certainly traded this car in to a dealer or sold it to a place like CarMax. That's the only way it could have ended up at an auction.

Unless he outlined all the parts he pulled before selling, he lied via omission.

jpdchicago · 03-10-2021, 07:39 PM

The car just disappeared from cars.com a few hours ago.
Either it sold or we upset the dealer. Had to hide the listing in shame..

kyrix1st · 03-11-2021, 12:22 AM

Better than hundreds of dealers including the authorized ones putting normal M3s as "CS Sedan".

03-08-2021, 04:41 PM	#23
guess2098 Major 516 Rep 1,247 Posts Drives: 2022 Taycan GTS, 2018 M4, 2016 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rowland Heights, CA iTrader: (5)	I thought buyer has full responsibility as buyer inspects the car before they buy. Hiding accident record is different story. Most the time buy and sell is "as is"
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FormulaMMM Brigadier General 3663 Rep 3,422 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Midwest iTrader: (2)	Feel for the dealer if they got hosed. But the right course of action from here is self evident, doesn't involve an oblivious ad and attempted sale at going market value. __________________ M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S \| E90 M3s, E39 M5
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erictrainer Lieutenant 277 Rep 419 Posts Drives: 16 F80 6MT MG on SO Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Miami iTrader: (6)	So..... what do you all think it's worth???? 30k off the listed price??? This obviously has no collector value but it's definitely worth more than a Competition. So what is it?
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FormulaMMM Brigadier General 3663 Rep 3,422 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Midwest iTrader: (2)	Given everything that was removed, interesting that one component appears to have been unnecessarily added to the car, a "wing spoiler." And with that addition, it (arguably) comports in full with the Monroney label published by the dealer, unless I'm overlooking something. Also appears certain obvious high value items that are specifically indicated on the label -- 666M + Cup 2, titanium exhaust, front and rear carbon fiber bumper inserts -- were bypassed. __________________ M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S \| E90 M3s, E39 M5
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PolishM3 Private First Class 63 Rep 148 Posts Drives: M4 GTS,2018 M3CS,2023 BMW IX Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Mechanicsburg PA iTrader: (1)	So spoke to the original owner, turns out the owner was looking to recoup some of the depreciation he incurred and took the parts to use on another vehicle build / sold the rest.
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WagonR First Lieutenant 293 Rep 360 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (9)	I mean, if the guy disclosed what he pulled off the car when he sent it to action, then that's fair. But, that's not the impression I get. Seems like he pulled stuff off that wouldn't be noticed and tried to make back money for the deprecation on the car. He owned it when the value went down, but he wants to trick someone else into paying for it? Not someone I'd want to deal with. Obviously there's not much love for dealers, and bidders at actions should know what they're buying, but I'm not sure that makes it right. I hope anyone looking to drop 90K on a M4 GTS knows what they're looking for and will steer clear, and this current dealer will probably be left holding the bag, but again, the original seller was the one that started this bullshit to cover depreciation they experienced while owning the car... __________________ Current: 2017 F87 M2 6MT 2013 F25 X3 3.5i 2008 E90 M3 6MT
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Secret Chimp Private 70 Rep 67 Posts Drives: M4 GTS, Lotus Exige S, 61 Mini Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Private parties can't put cars into Manheim or similar auctions. So, unless he has an automotive business, he most certainly traded this car in to a dealer or sold it to a place like CarMax. That's the only way it could have ended up at an auction. Unless he outlined all the parts he pulled before selling, he lied via omission.
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jpdchicago Major 1361 Rep 1,395 Posts Drives: M4 CSL, X3MC Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Chicago area iTrader: (0)	The car just disappeared from cars.com a few hours ago. Either it sold or we upset the dealer. Had to hide the listing in shame.. Last edited by jpdchicago; 03-11-2021 at 07:23 AM..
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kyrix1st Colonel 2371 Rep 2,362 Posts Drives: G87 M2; E92M3 MT&DCT; M3 euro Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: nyc iTrader: (0) Garage List 2004 BMW Z4 [0.00]	Better than hundreds of dealers including the authorized ones putting normal M3s as "CS Sedan". __________________ Pass me if you can.
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