Latest BMW M4 Spy Pics Reveal More of Bumper and Mirrors

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bosz

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one with a tuned 335 who feels this way!

because you guys don't know what you are talking about and missing out on!

might as well have a gt35R single turbo with 10" intercooler on a civic. its faster than your tuned 335. doesn't make sense right?

[cs4444]

It looks awesome!!

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=877447

[bosz]

Originally Posted by signes

This is the age-old thinking of many 335 owners that misses the point of an M3. It isn't about louder exhaust and a tune - if you think those are the only things that differentiate an M3 then I guess it will be very unlikely you would buy one. Said another way, if that is all you value then don't even bother with looking at the new M3/4 because it won't satisfy you.

I will say that since it will be turbocharged, you can take the same approach with an M3 (tune + exhaust) and likely bump the performance quite a bit over your modded 335.

No i clearly understand the M3/4 whatever is a highly tuned car by bmw M division for track performance, handling etc. Not neccesarily straight line speed and exoticness.

Since i will likely never track (due to insurance reasons), it won't make sense for me to spend the extra $$ on next level performance/handling which Ill never use on public roads lol. I kind of want a car which is exotic super carish , sounds exotic, big engine, small chasis..and able to kill most cars stop light to stop light. Specially these damn 911 turbos that keep popping up in my area haha.

I still am very interested in the M4. I may have to return my 335 prematurely due to the excess kms...my CA said get an M4 and the dealreship will call it even. So yeah who knows what the future beholds. But either way, I want a crazy crazy ride I wont get bored of.

I highly respect the M cars and Ive always wanted an M3

[e92_m3]

Originally Posted by cs4444

It looks awesome!!

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=877447[/url]

Damn, I like the fender vents this time around!

[ki__]

Originally Posted by cs4444

It looks awesome!!

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=877447

Looks really good... Almost like a shark

[BwoodBMW]

looks amazing

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=877447

[richardg]

I want to be the first to say this.

"needs a drop" hehehe

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by bosz

No i clearly understand the M3/4 whatever is a highly tuned car by bmw M division for track performance, handling etc. Not neccesarily straight line speed and exoticness.

now a tuned 335 is more exotic than an m3? the m3 is not exotic at all but if you want to call it that, a stock m3 is more exotic than any 335. unless it was a 335is of course!

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by e92_m3

Damn, I like the fender vents this time around!

you see those rear tires from the back?!

[izzyM2]

I just came down to look at my M3... and I'm happy.

[junx]

this m3 has a terrible side profile. it looks like a flattened x6

[e92_m3]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

you see those rear tires from the back?!

Yup! So wide... I definitely like!

[Desert_Fox]

Originally Posted by Snig

WTF? You bought an E93 335is, whining about not being able to afford an M3? You could have bought an M3 coupe with a $700 cheaper base price. I'm sorry, but that was just the stupidest comment I have ever seen on Bimmerpost.

Two things: Im not a track junkie, I don't want a stripper M3 with zero options just for the sake of saying I have an M3. Loaded 335is > Base M3 for me. Secondly, I lease because I dump cars after 2-3 years and am risk adverse, the warranty makes me sleep easier at night. An M3 coupe would have been $300 more a month, about 40% more than im paying now. M3 Convertible would have been even more.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

Two things: Im not a track junkie, I don't want a stripper M3 with zero options just for the sake of saying I have an M3. Loaded 335is > Base M3 for me. Secondly, I lease because I dump cars after 2-3 years and am risk adverse, the warranty makes me sleep easier at night. An M3 coupe would have been $300 more a month, about 40% more than im paying now. M3 Convertible would have been even more.

how much is your lease payment? I know ppl who have had payments down to $700 / month for a pretty loaded m3.

[Desert_Fox]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

how much is your lease payment? I know ppl who have had payments down to $700 / month for a pretty loaded m3.

Around $700 a month, 15k miles a year, included wheel/tire insurance and lease end insurance. $2000 down. If you want to put down $5k and do 10k miles a year, im sure an M3 is feasible for that range.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

Around $700 a month, 15k miles a year, included wheel/tire insurance and lease end insurance. $2000 down. If you want to put down $5k and do 10k miles a year, im sure an M3 is feasible for that range.

but 5,000 miles at $0.16 is $800 a year. Split that into 12 months and thats $66 a month. You could have gotten lower monthly payments if you took 10k and bought miles. $0.16 is at a discount - I believe in my last least on my f30 it was something closer to 10c a mile.

[Desert_Fox]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

but 5,000 miles at $0.16 is $800 a year. Split that into 12 months and thats $66 a month. You could have gotten lower monthly payments if you took 10k and bought miles. $0.16 is at a discount - I believe in my last least on my f30 it was something closer to 10c a mile.

That math is about right, but I know I will use the full 15k/year and i'd rather pay the 10 cents up front/mile rather than the 16 cent "oh shit I need miles" rate. The bigger reason for cheaper payment is also the large down payment. Im not a fan of dumping a bunch of money up front because if the car is totaled, my down payment goes with it.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

That math is about right, but I know I will use the full 15k/year and i'd rather pay the 10 cents up front/mile rather than the 16 cent "oh shit I need miles" rate. The bigger reason for cheaper payment is also the large down payment. Im not a fan of dumping a bunch of money up front because if the car is totaled, my down payment goes with it.

i think you're either gonna have miles leftover (minimal loss) or go over (minimal extra) so the mileage is a wash. I think $3k down at the beginning is well worth the upgrade in car. $3k over three years?! thats nothing!!

then you have to open a gas card lol.

[Desert_Fox]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

i think you're either gonna have miles leftover (minimal loss) or go over (minimal extra) so the mileage is a wash. I think $3k down at the beginning is well worth the upgrade in car. $3k over three years?! thats nothing!!

then you have to open a gas card lol.

I wanted a convertible no matter what. If it was a matter of coupes, the M3 would have won. The M3 convertible was not that fun to drive, the lack of torque was crap and I liked the LCI styling on the new 3er's more. I got the best of all worlds, 7 speed DCT, great cruiser engine N54, great MPG, and good looks. It was a good fit for me.

[pkimM3r]

ok - please proceed to the F3x section.....this is for F8x.

[Lorde]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

Two things: Im not a track junkie, I don't want a stripper M3 with zero options just for the sake of saying I have an M3. Loaded 335is > Base M3 for me.

Understandable. But let's look at what a fully loaded 335is Convertible looks like compared to a fully loaded M3 Coupe. Because your comparison of a loaded 335is being greater value than a Base M3 is missing about $10k in options on the M3 to match the 335is' value.

2013 M3 Coupe, Base Price: $60,100

2013 335is Convertible, Base Price: $60,800

2013 M3, Fully Loaded (w/DCT and Extended Leather): $76,375

2013 M3 Well Optioned (6MT, Regular Leather, No Competition Pack (as you are not a track rat): $67,425, adding DCT would bring you up to par with a fully loaded 335is.

2013 335is Convertible, Fully Loaded: $70,825

2013 M3 Convertible, Fully Loaded: > $82,000

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

Secondly, I lease because I dump cars after 2-3 years and am risk adverse, the warranty makes me sleep easier at night. An M3 coupe would have been $300 more a month, about 40% more than im paying now. M3 Convertible would have been even more.

I think your risk analysis is spot on (even when you could build equity into your car over a 3 year period), but that was never in question. You say you can't afford an M3 when... knock, knock, you can. Hell, even for less!

I don't know how an M3 could be $300 more per month unless you're putting ungodly mileage on your leased vehicles. Maybe that was the M3 Vert ($82k vs $70k?

You have made it, man! You can afford an M3! Next, we just need to help you realize it isn't worth paying an $8,650 premium to add ~400lbs to a performance car. But if Verts are your thing, then so be it. In the end, it's your money and the smile on your face should be all that matters.