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the suv, or sav or sca or whatever bmw is calling them now but when you start cutting corners on your prime model? I don't think anyone would disagree the M3 is what made the M division so that's the one model, you don't F#$% with or you shouldn't anyway
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If you drove the new 911 and you didnt know it was electric steering, youd never notice. So yes, it is like hydraulic. Automobile: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...e/viewall.html "Oh, the steering is perfectly accurate, and its weighting is just like old 911's. Driven in anger, it starts to transmit information about the road surface..." Edmunds "The new electromechanical power steering isn't perfect, but there's still plenty of magic in how a 911 bites into a corner. Let's be clear. This is the best electric power steering ever installed in a production car. And as such, it sets a new standard that every other manufacturer will be chasing." Or go watch the Chris Harris video where he flat out says it has GT3 levels of feedback and precision. I could go find many others that say its still an amazing steering feel with precision and accuracy that few can even compare to. You do realize the 911S was picked as the best driver's car over the likes of the Mclaren and aventador and many other great cars...all cars with hydraulic racks...and as such steering precision/feel is a big part of being a driver's car. That should tell you something. The car is still a scalpel and i doubt anyone will match them in electric steering for a long time and by then they will only have improved it that much more. |
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http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...iews/120829811 "No, it's not a hindrance to placing the Carrera S accurately wherever you want it, but, indeed, the classic Porsche feel is gone. After all, it was the feel that was always a significant part of the Porsche driving experience, and losing it is certainly nothing to applaud. Despite what Porsche marketing might say, it's pretty hard for me to ignore the fact the change to this system was driven massively by EPA mileage standards rather than making a better sports car" Car & Driver http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review "Changes to the steering will be most apparent for those familiar with past 911s. In previous generations, the steering wheel shimmied, shook, and, well, communicated every last pebble on the road. But no more.According to Porsche engineers, this is not because the 911 has switched from hydraulic-assist power steering to electric-assist, which it has, but rather because “toning down” the steering sensations allows drivers to better concentrate on going quickly." I could go on and on the fact is every single review I have read has mentioned the power steering so there has been definitely been a change. the fact is the electric steering is not fully developed as the hydraulic systems remember when run flats first came out? BMW started using them, and they sucked, the big one. Now, the runflats are indistinguishable from the regular ones. my point is, on an M car, the supposed pinnacle of BMW motorsports division, half assed solutions should not be considered. When they mature and are perfected, then sure.
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Well said Kmarei. I can only hope BMW M does a really good job with the e-steering.
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05-12-2013, 09:31 PM | #116 | |
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Thanks for your actual driving thoughts. |
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Again, if you didnt know before driving it, youd never know it was electric. Everyone is going electric anyway, so why not start early? And Ill repeat, no one will match them in electric steering for a long time and by then theyll be so far ahead as they always are people will be indefinitely playing catch up as the have for 50+ years with the 911 in general in terms of nearly every apsect of performance and handling. |
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Yes, they need to go on a diet (next gen).
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Audi is also moving towards EPS.
EPS is now in almost every 2013 model..including the RS5 it has been causing a headache for alot of 2013 S4 owners I think one owner mentioned he had been pulled over for 'drunk driving' because the officer had thought he was swerving when he was actually trying to correct the steering direction for a prolonged period on while driving on the freeway. i believe there has not been a permanent fix yet. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ng-Issues-2013 |
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