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View Poll Results: What most accurately characterizes you thus far?
I own(ed) an E9X M3 and so far love the new M4 256 42.88%
I own(ed) an E9X M3 and so far dislike the new M4 94 15.75%
I don't(haven't) own(ed) an E9X M3 and so far love the new M4 218 36.52%
I don't(haven't) own(ed) an E9X M3 and so far dislike the new M4 29 4.86%
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      09-29-2013, 11:23 AM   #221
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Two types of car enthusiasts are very common

1. The ones that always wants the latest and greatest

2. The ones who think the new car can't possibly be better than what they have now.
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      09-29-2013, 11:29 AM   #222
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      09-29-2013, 11:32 AM   #223
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Two types of car enthusiasts are very common

1. The ones that always wants the latest and greatest

2. The ones who think the new car can't possibly be better than what they have now.
True. Ten seconds after getting a new car I'm already wondering what to get next. For us in the #1 camp unlimited funds and a very large garage would be fantastic.
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      09-29-2013, 11:34 AM   #224
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Count me in for non-biased and #1 above. I've only got 2500 miles on my M3 and I'm already looking forward to an LCI/Comp M4
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      09-29-2013, 05:08 PM   #225
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I think I need a 5th option: "I own an M3 and feel ambivalent about the new M4." Some good, some bad for me.

Frankly, it leaves me cleaving to a 911 (they kept the name for one; NA another) or - and I can't believe I am typing this - maybe even a C7.

To my mind the E9X M3 was more special vis-a-vis the stock E9x than the next gen M3/M4 is to the F30/F8x.

I'm somewhat with you, but I do like the F80 M3. The F82 in general just doesn't tickle me.
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      09-29-2013, 05:40 PM   #226
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Watch the first 7 minutes of this video and tell me that FI is a better choice for an enthusiasts car other than for cost and mpg reasons. I got goose bumps even from the sound from my built in shitty IPad "speaker"...



I'm optimistic about the new M3 and it's ability to deliver closer to NA response but an FI engine will IMO never be as thrilling or sound anything like an exotic high rpm, high hp NA. If Ferrari goes fully FI there will be tears of blood around the world, not in anyway neglecting the mighty F40 and it's FI engine.

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      09-29-2013, 05:44 PM   #227
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Watch the first 7 minutes of this video and tell me that FI is a better choice for an enthusiasts car other than for cost and mpg reasons. I got goose bumps even from the sound from my built in shitty IPad "speaker"...


I'm optimistic about the new M3 and it's ability to deliver closer to NA response but an FI engine will never be as thrilling or sound anything like an exotic high rpm, high hp NA. If Ferrari goes fully FI there will be tears of blood around the world.


I guess that everybody defines "better" differently. If it's responsive, who cares whether it's FI or NA?
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      09-29-2013, 05:48 PM   #228
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I guess that everybody defines "better" differently. If it's responsive, who cares whether it's FI or NA?
I do. An electric engine is extremely responsive, likely more than the Ferrari. It's not all about numbers.
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      09-29-2013, 05:49 PM   #229
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I do. An electric engine is extremely responsive, likely more than the Ferrari. It's not all about numbers.
I never mentioned anything about numbers. I specifically said responsive, which is the caveat that most enthusiasts mention when comparing FI to NA. It's FI....it's done! We can either choose to pay & play.......or not! And at the rate that the forum elite force induce their E9X M3's, I don't understand what the fuss is about anyway.
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      09-29-2013, 05:55 PM   #230
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Two types of car enthusiasts are very common

1. The ones that always wants the latest and greatest

2. The ones who think the new car can't possibly be better than what they have now.
its not as black and white as that,


everyone here knows the new car WILL be faster and be a better performance car. its a fact. (M4)


its the characteristics of the car we debate.
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      09-29-2013, 05:55 PM   #231
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I like both NA and FI but it is a big difference and the fuss is understandable. I hope the new car overall will be a step forward but some things like engine note and top end pull will be lost. We're going through the mourning of what is lost and celebrating what is gained at the same time. This is not just an evolution it's a huge change and many important aspects remain unknown.
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      09-29-2013, 07:13 PM   #232
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Two types of car enthusiasts are very common

1. The ones that always wants the latest and greatest

2. The ones who think the new car can't possibly be better than what they have now.
How is playing engine sound through the speakers, turbo lag etc. Considered the latest and greatest?
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      09-29-2013, 07:49 PM   #233
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I'm just thinking if //M did direct infection to the S65, updated the internals, they could have gotten 450HP out of it and 15-20% improvement in gas mileage.
That would put mileage around 18/22mpg, maybe even better with improvements in the engine. My friend with the 911 is always sending pics of his car computer showing 27-28mpg on the highway.


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Chill, it's too late to read a whole thread. Makes sense now, was ol Carly Danger causing trouble. I'd recommend ignoring him.

Yeah the C2 is a great car. The 4.0 the pinnacle...

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      09-29-2013, 08:20 PM   #234
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Current e46 M3 owner and really wish I could add an e92M3 to the garage right now while there's still a few on dealer lots - N/A engine, steering, etc. Not excited about many features of the new car coming out, other than maybe the appearance.
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      09-29-2013, 08:26 PM   #235
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Current e46 M3 owner and really wish I could add an e92M3 to the garage right now while there's still a few on dealer lots - N/A engine, steering, etc. Not excited about many features of the new car coming out, other than maybe the appearance.
I think you would love the M3 and the E46 is pretty spectacular too. The E92 is a car that I could easily recommend to anybody. Does so many things so well.
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      09-29-2013, 09:28 PM   #236
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Watch the first 7 minutes of this video and tell me that FI is a better choice for an enthusiasts car other than for cost and mpg reasons. I got goose bumps even from the sound from my built in shitty IPad "speaker"...



I'm optimistic about the new M3 and it's ability to deliver closer to NA response but an FI engine will IMO never be as thrilling or sound anything like an exotic high rpm, high hp NA. If Ferrari goes fully FI there will be tears of blood around the world, not in anyway neglecting the mighty F40 and it's FI engine.
I love the sound of my M performance exhaust on my e92. It turns heads.

Honestly the sound from the M4 sounds like a fart can on a Civic to me. I know some people here think that it sounds amazing and that I will get a lot of hate for saying that but I'm partial to high RPM, NA engines that don't have to play the engine sound through the speakers. As an enthusiast, sound is very important to me.

Obviously the M4 is going to have better performance numbers. Whether it's going to be slightly better or drastically (some people here are saying it's going to be on par with a 991 Carrera S) has yet to be seen. The part I'm wondering is, will it be as fun to drive? A 0.2 second faster 0-60 is not enough to make me rush out and get one just so that I can brag that I have the latest and greatest

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      09-29-2013, 11:35 PM   #237
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Sounds like there won't be too many m3 and m4 on the road which is a good thing for those buying.
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      09-30-2013, 10:21 PM   #238
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Right now the M4 is not enticing me to order one.I am not that excited about a FI inline 6 cylinder.My wifes 335is convinces me everytime that a turbocharged engine is not what I want in my performance car for track duty.I am seeing a normally aspirated high reving powerplant in my future,sort of like an S65 but mounted behind the seats
Well I have changed my thinking about the F82 M4 after digesting all the information that has become available about the new car.Seeing how much is specifically engineered for the M4 pushed me over the edge as I do love my E92 M3 but after 5 1/2 years of driving them its time for a change to something new that is a fair bit different.I will probably order my car with most of the options including the M-DCT just like my present car.I am looking forward to learning a lot more as the info becomes available.I am number 1 at my dealer on the list.
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i was on the fence until i saw the curb weight of the new one
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      10-08-2013, 08:11 PM   #240
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Well I have changed my thinking about the F82 M4 after digesting all the information that has become available about the new car.Seeing how much is specifically engineered for the M4 pushed me over the edge as I do love my E92 M3 but after 5 1/2 years of driving them its time for a change to something new that is a fair bit different.I will probably order my car with most of the options including the M-DCT just like my present car.I am looking forward to learning a lot more as the info becomes available.I am number 1 at my dealer on the list.

That was my sentiments exactly. I thought the X5 would hold me over until the new F80 came out, but I was wrong. The 335i is doing a better job.
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