What’s going on with GTS prices?

[P1]

A local dealer has one for sale here with less than 100 miles and it's been sitting for over four months.

[suprajjang]

There is a used one for sale near me at a dealership listed for $115k. Its been listed for sale for a while now and price has dropped significantly since the last time i took a look at it. Mileage is also listed under 100 miles. Might be a good indicator for how much your friend could possibly get. If this interests anybody, PM me and ill forward you contact info for the CA @ the dealership!

[04RC51]

Originally Posted by suprajjang

There is a used one for sale near me at a dealership listed for $115k. Its been listed for sale for a while now and price has dropped significantly since the last time i took a look at it. Mileage is also listed under 100 miles. Might be a good indicator for how much your friend could possibly get. If this interests anybody, PM me and ill forward you contact info for the CA @ the dealership!

Ouch! I'm sure one of the enthusiasts in this thread will jump at that deal since they know prices are just going to go up from here. No brainer flip for a current owner or someone looking to make a buck off of a sure thing.

[suprajjang]

Originally Posted by 04RC51

Ouch! I'm sure one of the enthusiasts in this thread will jump at that deal since they know prices are just going to go up from here. No brainer flip for a current owner or someone looking to make a buck off of a sure thing.

You would be correct! I just checked their website and the car isn't listed anymore so it sold very quickly after the price drop!

[jpdchicago]

Anything at or under $120,000 is a bargain. When people find out than the M4 CS with carbon brakes will come up close to that price, they will be all over the GTS. But it will be too late...
As I mentioned before, GTS are already selling at $200,000 all over Europe.

[F32Fleet]

Yesterday I saw a dealer selling a dark grey GTS with 625 miles for $116k.

[Who's on first]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

Yesterday I saw a dealer selling a dark grey GTS with 625 miles for $116k.

Ouch.

[Vintage]

everything has its depreciation curve. I suspect strongly that the curve is almost done trending down for the GTS and will be headed back up soon. anything around $110k is a smoking deal for a car that looks great and has a ton of trick stuff on it and in it.

I built a M4 the other day with DCT, CC brakes, and CP just to get an idea of price versus a used GTS I was looking to buy - it was $82k!!!! as many have pointed out, the CS will be $100k or more new. then think about 300 GTSs in the US - you do the math. I sat in one Wednesday at a dealer and I am buying!!!! i was surprised at how top notch inside and out it was with almost no expense spared. nicer than my GT4, way nicer than my dodge viper acr-e. yes, i wish it had the carbon bucket seats, but i will get over it.

and i am buying not just because it is going to go up in value but because I love it and will be a COTA tracking it often. yes, other cars are faster and I have owned some and will own more - who cares. it is plenty fast for me and it will be a blast on the track

this car marks Ms beginning return to greatness in my opinion - time will tell

[jpdchicago]

As I said before, they will go back up when they are all sold out in the US (only around 20 left). They reached the market in Europe 6 months earlier and are now selling for $200,000+.
I do not think they will ever reach $200,000 here, but buying one at $110,000 or $115,000 pretty much insures you will get your money back after a few years of driving...

[hi_officer]

I hope no one bought this car as an investment.

Generally, cars that appreciate are limited AND highly sought after (ex. 911R, 458 speciale, and many others).

There are 60+ M4 GTS for sale in the USA (more than 20% that hit the shores) and the reviews have been a hit or miss. Sound familiar? Here are some other limited / special edition cars that have depreciated.

Audi R8 GT (only 333 produced)
Bentley GT3-R (300 produced, 99 for USA)
Jaguar XKRGT-S (25 for US)
Maserati GT MC Stradale
Lambo Gallardo LP570-4 Performante
Lambo Reventon

Not trying to take away the fun and excitement of the M4 GTS. But, if you want a GTS today, you should buy one only if you really like it, not because you think it will become Apple stock.

[CSanto]

If I can get one under 110 im doing it. Sick car for that money

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

I hope no one bought this car as an investment.

Generally, cars that appreciate are limited AND highly sought after (ex. 911R, 458 speciale, and many others).

There are 60+ M4 GTS for sale in the USA (more than 20% that hit the shores) and the reviews have been a hit or miss. Sound familiar? Here are some other limited / special edition cars that have depreciated.

Audi R8 GT (only 333 produced)
Bentley GT3-R (300 produced, 99 for USA)
Jaguar XKRGT-S (25 for US)
Maserati GT MC Stradale
Lambo Gallardo LP570-4 Performante
Lambo Reventon

Not trying to take away the fun and excitement of the M4 GTS. But, if you want a GTS today, you should buy one only if you really like it, not because you think it will become Apple stock.

Totally agree with you except there are only 22 new ones left for sale. Other ones (Around 35) are resales from people who were hoping to flip them. It is a blast to drive so no flipping here!

[Mthrice]

The GTS is on a similar arc as the GT-R Nismo, although nobody is arguing the capabilities of the Nismo. I think the GTS under performs a bit for the price. (Clarkson hated it.)

Even though the GT-R Nismo is an even more limited run than the GTS, only 50 a year, they can be had in the $120,000 range. (150k to 167k new.)

Anybody calling this an investment, or that it will appreciate in value, will probably need to hold on to it for 30 years or more to realize that.Maybe

911R is the one example that bucks this trend, that thing IS increasing in value!

It's a really cool BMW, that would be fun to own. That's about it.

[robbys3m3]

Originally Posted by CSanto

If I can get one under 110 im doing it. Sick car for that money

I know one that's matte grey and carbon wheels with a few hundred miles on it that I think can be bought under 110...PM in you want me to get you in touch

[SunnyD]

If it holds its value, that's a win for me...I plan on keeping this thing for a good while.

[schnell325]

Originally Posted by SunnyD

If it holds its value, that's a win for me...I plan on keeping this thing for a good while.

Absolutely

[airwave808]

There is one in Dallas with Carbon Fiber wheels (15k alone) sold for 112k. There are some very good deals available now but likely not for long. I am looking for one and I think I will be able to get one for 108 or 109k plus tax which in my mind, will be a fair price given all of them are fully loaded. Just my two cents.

[M5Rlz]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

Audi R8 GT (only 333 produced)
Bentley GT3-R (300 produced, 99 for USA)
Jaguar XKRGT-S (25 for US)
Maserati GT MC Stradale
Lambo Gallardo LP570-4 Performante
Lambo Reventon

And in 50 years I would bet big money the Lambos', R8 and Maybe even the Mas. will be worth more than an M4, given you can still get damn near the experience with a basic M4 with the right options/ aftermarket for 50+k units in the US, at least with the others on the list the overall car production numbers are wayyyyyyy lower than the M4.


One reason I opted not to get one aside from I don't view BMWs as a collector type car. Is it is very much a MASSED PRODUCED vehicle lol.... If I start stockpiling cars for collecting. I would want my e60 m5, e92 m3, 335i back before I'd ever consider buying a GTS, my 15' m4 or 14' f10 m5...

[SunnyD]

Originally Posted by 335iRlz

And in 50 years I would bet big money the Lambos', R8 and Maybe even the Mas. will be worth more than an M4, given you can still get damn near the experience with a basic M4 with the right options/ aftermarket for 50+k units in the US, at least with the others on the list the overall car production numbers are wayyyyyyy lower than the M4.

I'm not going to argue that you can't get "damn near the experience" with a modded M4, but couldn't you make the same argument for the 1M vs. a 135? Why has the 1M held its value so well?

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

I hope no one bought this car as an investment.

Generally, cars that appreciate are limited AND highly sought after (ex. 911R, 458 speciale, and many others).

There are 60+ M4 GTS for sale in the USA (more than 20% that hit the shores) and the reviews have been a hit or miss. Sound familiar? Here are some other limited / special edition cars that have depreciated.

Audi R8 GT (only 333 produced)
Bentley GT3-R (300 produced, 99 for USA)
Jaguar XKRGT-S (25 for US)
Maserati GT MC Stradale
Lambo Gallardo LP570-4 Performante
Lambo Reventon

Not trying to take away the fun and excitement of the M4 GTS. But, if you want a GTS today, you should buy one only if you really like it, not because you think it will become Apple stock.

And combined with future hardcore CSL models coming. I don’t see the GTS being the appreciating asset as some thought it was going to be. I get E92 M3 GTS values, as it has things that are now history(normally aspirated, hydraulic steering, high revving 4.4L V8, etc).

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

And combined with future hardcore CSL models coming. I don’t see the GTS being the appreciating asset as some thought it was going to be. I get E92 M3 GTS values, as it has things that are now history(normally aspirated, hydraulic steering, high revving 4.4L V8, etc).

The CSL will just be the future version of the current GTS. Just a name change...
I doubt it will be a lighter hardcore version of the series like in the past.
I do agree that the Gts will not appreciate much but it will maintain its value (I can totally see used ones at MSRP 5 years from now)...already a good thing for any car. Buy any other sports car for $130,000 today and see how much it is worth in 5 years...

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

The CSL will just be the future version of the current GTS. Just a name change...
I doubt it will be a lighter hardcore version of the series like in the past.
I do agree that the Gts will not appreciate much but it will maintain its value (I can totally see used ones at MSRP 5 years from now)...already a good thing for any car. Buy any other sports car for $130,000 today and see how much it is worth in 5 years...

Speculating is all about timing and in the car world it differs from car to car.

BMW has lost the edge it had 10-15 years ago, but softening the cars has resulted in increased sales so you can't blame BMW.

The GTS is a very cool car. But I think this car has potential to appreciate in the LONG TERM (i.e. 15-20 years), not in 5 years. Many brands have their 'track-day specials' similar to the GTS (ex. Porsche GT3, MB GTR, Nissan GT-R Nismo, Corvette GS, GT350, ZL1, etc.). The GTS stands out a bit due to its over-the-top track styling and limited production, but all have their fan base.

Usually, every 5-7 years a new generation of car model in unveiled. By the time to 2 or 3 generations of BMW M4 GTS/CSL or whatever passes, it will look much different than today (AWD, electric or hybrid, bigger, maybe heavier, RWS, etc.) and the current GTS will be more analog. This is when people will look back and want to experience something different but also modern enough to not piss off the wife or feel like a horse and buggy

On the other hand, some cars appreciate in the SHORT TERM. These are usually ultra-high end cars, limited production, and highly sough after used as trophies from top brands (ex. anything from Ferrari or Porsche's top echelon like Enzo, LaFerrari, 959, CGT, 918).