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I would say the numbers certainly feel accurate... the car i drove w dct was prob 150lbs heavier given some other options... It certainly fel like it.
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Actually, you do have a choice. Instead of using the mobile app, use the browser, and make sure to choose the "display desktop version" at the bottom if you see the mobile version of the page, and do your editing there like you do it on your PC or laptop.
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BMW has always claimed that the 3300lbs is a DIN leergewicht. Meaning all liquids and 90% fuel. This is also the weight stated in the official EU-type approval certificate. At some point BMW has presented a M4 that weighs 3300lbs to the independent test facility (TUV)... It probably had: No floor mats No nav Manual seats Helium filled tires No AC? No "options" (including "options" you can't delete from your order...) |
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Powerslide, you have to keep in mind that, even with no options, the US spec M3 will have equipment that is not present on a truly base specification car in absolute terms. What are those terms? I don't know exactly, and I'm not sure if we will ever be able to get an official answer, but Boss has mentioned some things that could have potentially been omitted/substituted to get to 3300 lbs. The question of whether there is genuinely another 100 lbs. to cut is still open and unanswered. That is, even if we took the lowest spec, lowest possible weight car the EU consumer can obtain from the factory through the normal sales channels, are we still going to be over 3300 lbs? And even if we hit that number, there is the philosophical question about whether it should be fair game for BMW to use such tactics to sell the car. That all put aside for a moment, getting back to the US where you, me, and Joe live, I think the weight numbers on bmwusa's website are reasonable. No? |
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You have a highly tuned sense of weight in a car I would bet professional race car drivers would be hard pressed to feel 150lbs difference in extra weight on the street.
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The components that would have to be removed render the 3300# number useless. |
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Based upon my weighing an m4 with manual seats and some other deco tenting could hit 3300-3350 without much issue.
Or an m4 equipped like me but dry. A lot of the 3300 pound argument comes from the interpretation that leergeweight meant DIN weight even though it translates as dry weight. It could have actually meant dry weight all along in which absolutely this car in US trim weighs 3300 pounds dry. |
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FAIL. Cheers, e46e92
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Does anybody have a link to where BMW claimed the F8X weighs 3,300 lbs? I see this comment a lot, but have not been able to find where BMW made this claim. As was pointed out, the weight on the BMW web site seems accurate.
Anyway, I for one don't really care if they were off on their initial claim. I'm just happy BMW shed any weight from the preceding model (a first, as we all know!).
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Interesting, I was talking to a tech from Porsche yesterday and we were talking about weight. He was saying that with all of the tech being added to cars these days the total weight of the wire and electronics can exceed 1,000 lbs. I know we all want light cars but given all of the safety advances and increased reliability I am ok with weights under 3700 lbs (but prefer 3200). I was a paramedic during the 90's and early 2000's when cars were lighter and I took care of a lot of people that were severely injured in crashes that these days people walk away from (if they wear their seat belts). The data is really compelling in terms of reduction of severe injury and death, this data continues to encourage NHTSA to add more requirements (I think that is a good thing). Combine the safety advances with the performance and reliability advances and it turns out the sky is not falling after all. The fact that BMW can still reduce the weight or maintain a steady weight from between two generations is a huge achievement. I think it will be really interesting to see what happens in about 8-10 years when carbon plastics are extensively used like in the I cars. We may see pretty huge changes.
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Again - I'm not saying it is impossible for a 3300 lb M4. All I'm saying is if a US-spec "stripper" M3 is 3450 lbs, than a US-spec M4 stripper should, in theory, be 3,400 lbs. I would love to know how on earth even a euro spec car could shave another 100 lbs off - I just find it hard to imagine how the difference between euro spec and U.S. spec could possibly be 100 lbs... If it were 20, 30, even 50 lbs, maybe.... |
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