BMW M4 vs Audi RS5 vs Porsche Cayman S Comparison Review (Auto Express)

[Never Convicted]

Well, at least he's not bitter about it.

[JS919]

Originally Posted by trinim3

Right on cue!

Holly crap! You spent a lot of time on that... you lost me about halfway ... yawn ... through. What point were you trying to make again.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by JS919

Holly crap! You spent a lot of time on that... you lost me about halfway ... yawn ... through. What point were you trying to make again.

You realize that the guy has an M4 on order don't you? The RS5 is a wonderful car.

[solstice]

Again we can see that power costs at the pump wether you get it from an I6 turbo engine or a NA V8. The M4 doesn't only get significantly worse mpg than the relative small NA engine in the Cayman, it gets worse mpg than the NA V8 in the heavy Audi... It's worth repeating that lower emissions and production costs seems to have been the main targets here not lower mpg. Nice to see that it's the overall winner. I'd still have the Porsche if I didn't need four seats.

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Wow, he hit the entire excuse matrix in one post.

That's impressive

Haven't commented in a few days, so it's been stock-piling up

As for what's my point?

I don't expect anyone on this forum to care about the RS5 (that would be silly) but curious to hear what are thoughts on the change in wording from the magazine write-up to the online version in regards to the M4?

The online versions seems slightly less enthusiastic about the M4 than what was printed in the magazine. If you're 'long hair, don't care' then no need to voice it.

Example:

Online for M4

Then there’s the way it revs. While it may rev almost as high as the V8 with a redline of 7,300rpm, after 5,500rpm you have already reached the full 425bhp. This means that for the next 2,000rpm there is no more sensation of power building so you don’t get the urge to chase the red-line
contrast that with

Magazine for M4 (no mention of the above quote)

Like its predecessors, the BMW's straight six rips round to is 7300 rpm redline with incredible ferocity

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gblansten

You realize that the guy has an M4 on order don't you? The RS5 is a wonderful car.

Agreed... he's getting an M4 .

People should realize that all he's trying to do is comment on what he sees as inaccuracies in the review relative to his experience with the RS5 which is a great car. Nothing different than what any of us would do if the negative comments were for the M.

At this level, all of these cars... RS5, C63, Cayman, M3/4... are fantastic and the differences in performance are not as dramatic, IMO, as reviews like to make them out to be (although drama sells magazines ). They are all "relatively" close in performance so the differences between them in reviews is often somewhat attributable to feel, personal preferences and perception of the reviewer IMO.

[1stm3f80]

I like the way the M3 looks and have always loved BMW's. If any other car in this price range was dramatically faster than the M3 I'd still buy the M3

[1stm3f80]

I don't even know where to find a track.

[JS919]

Originally Posted by gblansten

You realize that the guy has an M4 on order don't you? The RS5 is a wonderful car.

Yea I guess that makes since. I have one on order too. I also used to have an RS5, it didn't do whole lot for me. I'm not going dispute what your opinion of the car is with 1000 word essay to prove why I'm right though.
I don't think what I said in my original post was offensive. It was my true feeling after reading half of his post.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by gthal

At this level, all of these cars... RS5, C63, Cayman, M3/4... are fantastic and the differences in performance are not as dramatic, IMO, as reviews like to make them out to be (although drama sells magazines ). They are all "relatively" close in performance so the differences between them in reviews is often somewhat attributable to feel, personal preferences and perception of the reviewer IMO.

I even thought the magazine article spelled it out pretty clearly though that all 3 cars were fairly close. That's why I don't see the big need or angst or what have you to pick apart the article.

But hey, if it's one thing we do in this forum is immediately jump into full defense mode when something is negatively said about a car we like, whether that be a BMW, MB, or Audi.

The RS5 makes my head turn everytime I see one on the road, I think it's stunning in a subdued sort of way. If I could have a couple cars in my stable, it would be there. But I'm not rich, so I guess I'll just have to do with the M4.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Jockey

I even thought the magazine article spelled it out pretty clearly though that all 3 cars were fairly close. That's why I don't see the big need or angst or what have you to pick apart the article.

But hey, if it's one thing we do in this forum is immediately jump into full defense mode when something is negatively said about a car we like, whether that be a BMW, MB, or Audi.

The RS5 makes my head turn everytime I see one on the road, I think it's stunning in a subdued sort of way. If I could have a couple cars in my stable, it would be there. But I'm not rich, so I guess I'll just have to do with the M4.

Great points

[onatuesday]

At the end of the day my post ended with "the M4 is a better car and it won fair and square."

[onatuesday]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

The RS5 acolytes will be here shortly to complain about everybody being against them. Be nice to them.

I also probably wouldn't have said anything if I didn't receive the open invitation lolz. It's all in good fun. As cars enthusiasts were a dying breed and no matter what the badge on the front says we should support car enthusiasts no matter what they drive because competition is good for everyone.

[SOM3]

RS5 is an ok car. It looks really good but it's heavy and not as responsive as M3 cars (last 3 gens). Engine is nice but its transmission is lazy.

Interior is also not that good with the big snifter covering up half the controls/displays in the middle.

Also the back seats are useless, might as well be a two-seater.

[rngrjag]

SOM3

Convenient that, while noting an interior design flaw of the Audi, you neglect to mention the hideous pseudo-iPad crap that you are forced to buy an ///M 3/4 with. I ordered my E92 M without the nav because I hated the "double bubble" dash look. I hate the cheap tacked-on-not-an-iPad look of the M3/4 dash. Can't stand it. Really sucks that you cannot order a car without it.

[Just_me]

There is an old thread already with scans and a complete test

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008314

[SOM3]

Originally Posted by rngrjag

SOM3

Convenient that, while noting an interior design flaw of the Audi, you neglect to mention the hideous pseudo-iPad crap that you are forced to buy an ///M 3/4 with. I ordered my E92 M without the nav because I hated the "double bubble" dash look. I hate the cheap tacked-on-not-an-iPad look of the M3/4 dash. Can't stand it. Really sucks that you cannot order a car without it.

I will agree on that, it would be much nicer if the multi media screen folded out the way when not needed.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by trinim3

I also probably wouldn't have said anything if I didn't receive the open invitation lolz. It's all in good fun. As cars enthusiasts were a dying breed and no matter what the badge on the front says we should support car enthusiasts no matter what they drive because competition is good for everyone.

...unless they drive one of those ratbag Audis. JK!

[ddk632]

Originally Posted by 1stm3f80

I don't even know where to find a track.

In SoCal???

Dude...

Fontana (in Pomona) aka California Speedway
Willow Springs in Rosamond
Streets of Willow - on the Willow Springs compound, Rosamond
Buttonwillow (a bit further but still drivable from most of SoCal)

A bit further north...
Laguna Seca (in Salinas/Monterey)
Infineon Raceway (formerly Sears Point) in Sonoma

I am sure there are others but even just the 4 tracks I listed in SoCal are awesome enough ...

Just do it!

[Slow///1]

@som3

FYI, there was no appreciable difference between my s5's rear seat room and the e92 I had...

[dmboone25]

Does anyone else find the comparisons to the Cayman a little weird? I would have expected a 911 in this comparo - and totally unfair to the Audi, which is what, 6 years old at this point?

I would expect it to go Cayman S vs. M2 (next year or whenever) and M4 vs pick your version of 911...

Good article regardless - the M4 seems to be an awesome performance machine that's wrapped up in everyday usability goodness.

[Judah]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

...unless they drive one of those ratbag Audis. JK!

Lmbo.....