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The second car will always have a tougher time. Different cars are faster on different sections of a track/road. In the sections where the following car could be faster, it cannot leverage its advantage because it butts its nose against the car in front. I've lived this on more than one occasion playing with buddies at the track. In the video the M3 is always behind the RS5. To have been fair, they should have traded spots. |
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06-23-2014, 08:45 AM | #47 | |
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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/200...w-ar10641.html I can only find this, which shows the m4 at 1:38.9 secs at the ring GP, though the layout is unknown. http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=994161 Where the rs5 is at 1:41.5 and the E92 was at 1:44.86 http://fastestlaps.com/laptimes/48d620ad7c893.html I realize that you are desperate to show that the e92 is not slower than the m4, but unfortunately it is. Every single track they both have been tested on shows this. It is, and always will be just like the e92 is faster than the e46, and the e46 is faster than the e36 etc.....
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The second car always has an easier time than the first car. Always. Back in my track days, I always tried to find a "race buddy" with similar lap times. We'd quickly sort out who had the quicker lap time, then play follow the leader. With similar lap times, there's almost always a section where the slower guy is actually quicker, but that soon sorts itself out as the quicker car gets some more distance with each lap. The advantage for the slower guy is that he gets to go to school on the faster guy - as they point out in the video. The bimmer is following because it's slower than the Audi (as both drivers attest). As far as the actual filming goes, they did a ton of filming, and spliced various pieces together so the viewer wouldn't be bored. Meaning as the lap progressed the M3 would fall further and further behind, and who wants to watch an Audi pass by the camera, and then sometime later, the bimmer. There was one section (the uphill) where the M3 appeared to have an advantage, but everywhere else the Audi was quicker. They close the video by reiterating that the Audi is quicker. You think they're lying? As a by the by, don't you think the guy following would've pulled up next to (or close) to the Audi on the uphill if he could have? Sheesh. I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you. You being a guy on this site with actual firing neurons (that's a compliment) - as opposed to some other participants. |
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Why don't you show just how squeaky clean you are by explaining how the M3 was at a disadvantage. |
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Since you seem to know my views so well, you will also know that I typically don't dignify such comments with a response, but several seem curious (and was brought up in another thread). Can't find the original scans (they used to be on the web, I remembered readin them), but it documented in numerous threads (and is in fastest laps) http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...95&postcount=2 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267531 Quote:
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Agreed, of course different day / different driver. The point was making is that on tighter tracks think the differences may not be as large as one would think, would still like to see a head-to-head matchup. In power tracks like the n-ring, yes that is where that extra 60-70 bhp should help and help a lot!
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While I fully agree that a slower driver can benefit a lot by following a faster driver, but the point here is to compare the cars, not drivers. At the end of the video (probably because of editing, as you stated), we don't see that the RS5 gained much ground on the M3 (if at all). In my book, if the following car is able to keep up, it usually means that it is faster. So the video does not prove anything. I am not claiming that the M3 is faster than the RS5 (other evidence seems to point to the opposite). My point is that this video itself is useless. The only "evidence" that the RS5 is quicker, is the subjective impression of the drivers. Thanks for the compliments, I can also say the same about you. Cheers . Last edited by CanAutM3; 06-24-2014 at 11:17 AM.. |
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The result? Subjective, I guess, but if you and I were in these cars, we'd know who was quicker. This would be a fun conversation for an hour or so over beers on the back porch. Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 06-24-2014 at 11:04 AM.. |
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Carl Edwards is a former student of mine. Once in a while we would talk race strategy. In NASCAR drafting is huge, and has pros & cons. There are situations in which you want to be the lead car, and situations in which you can 'slingshot' from drafting; sometimes complex coalitions develop to exploit these effects.
Obviously much less salient for road courses, although micro-effects on the surface (clearing dust, adding rubber, temperature) might have some consequences.
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"fancy nick" ? Google translate got befuddled with that one. Sami?
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haha, it means you are too cool for forums, despite how I read your nick every time. Not telling btw.
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What can I say, I can't match Shakespeare's innuendo. But you have the gift!
My daily quota has been exceeded. But must add: Carl Edwards is a truly good person. And he kicked ass at Sonoma yesterday!
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Given the weight of the current RS5, if it's only approx. 2 seconds slower than the M4, given Audi's recent cars, I'm going to say if the next-gen RS5 is able to drop some serious weight (and rumours indicate that they will), I believe it will have absolutely no problem keeping up or even being faster than the M3/M4.
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Take the M4 any day of the week over the rs5. Terry already has 540 wheel HP and 540 Wtq with just his piggy and a few gallons of E85.... That Audi won't even stand a chance with just $600 into the bimmer... My .002
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