I’m not happy with the value of my recently acquired M4 - what should I do?

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by f80er

OP clearly don't know shit about cars if he thought he was going to get a similar feel from an m4 than a hellcat and a gtr. And who complains about the value of a car after you bought it? Aint shit you or anyone else can do about that. Lol

I am not comparing either to either, I am asking what makes these cars 80k. And clearly not much if they are worth 50k with in the first year of purchase.

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by BluM4

Sell it and buy something else. What is so complicated and needs to be discussed? It is not like you paid MSRP for a new car. Beside you are being a troll, I don't get your points.

It's for sale, no one wants it lol. I am asking what makes these cars so good? Who would know better than BMW fans? No harm intended.

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

the funniest part about this is that he's in the 'car business'.

Did you look at 2015 M3 prices before purchasing a 2018 ? You do know about depreciation curves right ? This isn't some rare GT3rs or speciale.

performance wise. How is an M3 on the same playing field as a GTR?? The GTR ran 10s out the box, had DCT, and a bigger displacement motor. Once you mod is completely in the GTRs favor with its awd system.

You buy the M3 because it gives you near-GTR levels of performance (especially once you mod), while still offering a ton of luxury/refinement inside, the option of a 6 speed, and rwd. And it weighs less than the GTR and hellcat, by a good amount.

Well sir I did, which is why I am in an 80k BMW with 7k in aftermarket for 57.5k. And yes that was the idea save %40 of what I was spending monthly on the GT-R and come out with exactly what you described. Which is what I did. Now I don't hate the car, but I do not see anything near 80k in it either. That's all.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

I am not comparing either to either, I am asking what makes these cars 80k. And clearly not much if they are worth 50k with in the first year of purchase.

See the link in my last post. Go look at values of used cars in the luxury vehicle segments. Heavy depreciation is everywhere, and in fact M vehicles are typically better than most.

The M4 is in its final year for this generation so depreciation is likely on the uptick because buyers know the next big thing is dropping next year. And luxury car buyers always want the new hotness.

I hope you stick around BimmerPost and read up. There’s a lot of knowledge here, and you’ve got a lot to learn.

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

I am asking what makes these cars so good?

Again, if the positive attributes are largely being lost on you, it’s simply a sign you are not the target buyer for this car. Perhaps someday you’ll appreciate this or other premium vehicles, or perhaps not. There no single right or wrong answer.

Either way, you are not going to get your answer by repeating the same question. Nothing anyone here communicates to you is going to change who you are and what this car is about. You either enjoy the experience and see the value, or you don’t. Evaluate yourself, soul search, whatever, and figure out what you want to do.

Good luck.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

I am in it for $57.5k. Its on Cargurus if anyone wants to check it out. Pretty sick M4 actually, and I would tune it, but voiding factory warranty or putting money into a car is not something I want to do, especially knowing I may be trading it in soon.

Can you post a link to the listing?

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

Well sir I did, which is why I am in an 80k BMW with 7k in aftermarket for 57.5k. And yes that was the idea save %40 of what I was spending monthly on the GT-R and come out with exactly what you described. Which is what I did. Now I don't hate the car, but I do not see anything near 80k in it either. That's all.

If you think depreciation is bad in these don't ever plan to get into exotics.

If you're in the car business shouldn't you understand that the more expensive car market generally experiences higher depreciation and the factors that cause it? I'm still confused as to what your thread is about. You're asking why a car costs $80k but don't seem to understand the target INITIAL buyer market. The second hand market is motivated by significantly different factors, and generally budgets, thus the price must be different to accommodate, and there in lies your depreciation.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

Well sir I did, which is why I am in an 80k BMW with 7k in aftermarket for 57.5k. And yes that was the idea save %40 of what I was spending monthly on the GT-R and come out with exactly what you described. Which is what I did. Now I don't hate the car, but I do not see anything near 80k in it either. That's all.

You paid less than 60k for an 85k vehicle that's a year old. You're trying to see value in a price you didn't pay. The original buyer may have seen value in this 80k vehicle but you need to try and see value in this 57k vehicle.

This car is a steal at the price you got it. I'm a bit bored of the M3/4s but that's only because I've owned 5 of the same generation and need to try something new. When I first got into them I enjoyed them so much I kept upgrading out of curiosity.

But owners of these cars enjoy the combination of luxury and sport. Your old cars were just sport. No luxury and shit build quality (interior).

If that's not the combo you were looking for then you should have been aware before the purchase.

[Fast4d]

1. cry about it (to the internet?)
2. get a petition going and present it to ?
3. start class action law suit
4. vote socialist so they can pass laws to protect your 'investment'

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by jlspeed29

I think you answered your own question here dude. What everyone else sees in the car is not going to necessarily be what YOU see in the car... value, speed, excitement all subjective.

Some people have saved and came from say, a Japanese car or kia or some other unremarkable car and are completely blown away buy the M's performance. Vette, GTR, Hellcat all different beasts.. sure they may be close in price in used dollars but that really has no correlation with performance and driving dynamics...

I just picked one up for about the same price and have zero interest in any vette, GTR or especially a hellcat for my needs and driving style...

did you not drive the car before purchasing?

No I did not, I figured from what I have read, reviews, price point, performance, style, there would be no need. The car is not bad, I just had higher expectations for my first M I guess.

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Can you post a link to the listing?

I do not know if this is legal but here you go.


https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=240352302

[derekfelix1]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The answer here is simple. None of your prior vehicles were from premium brands, while BMW is the quintessential German luxury make. So, you’ve simply stumbled unwittingly into a performance car whose value is split between performance and luxury, but is skewed too far toward the latter for your tastes.

This means you should also stay away from Mercedes AMG, Audi Sport (RS), Lexus F, Cadillac V, and other in-house luxury brand performance division products. BMW M typically checks in at the top of the class among these and other similar cars, so if you don’t like the value equation of the M4, you are not likely to be satisfied by the others either.

So, in the future, stay away from performance vehicles on this list:

https://www.edmunds.com/luxury/

And please stay very, very far away from non-performance vehicles on that list or you’ll be even more regretful, and end up writing even more quasi-troll posts on forums across the whole internet, with a trail of tears so slippery that the wambulance wipes out on its way to the first world problems trauma center.

Or, at the very least, tread into those brands with extreme caution. Some, like maybe a Porsche GT model, might actually tempt your Hellcat-forged adrenaline tastebuds. Just don’t expect to pick one up for less than $100k on the second hand market.

There, now you’ve competed the final phase of the research you started out on before you jumped into the M4, and you’ve now saved yourself countless thousands in future buyer’s remorse. Plus, your career “in the car business” just got a jolt in the buttocks, and you can now go on to be an expert lease broker. I’ll send you the check for 20 minutes of BimmerPost school.

Hey man I appreciate it, I never said I was some car business guru. Im just a guy in the car business. Who bought an M4 and cant really see what is so special about it.

[alex2364]

How is the OP in the car business when he doesn't understand the car he bought until after he bought it? On top of that, now he wants to sell it and his ad is amateur level. No quality pics and everything looks like it was taken with a cell phone.

[///M4ster Yoda]

The listing has an accident reported???

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

I do not know if this is legal but here you go.


https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=240352302

Listing indicates car has been in an accident? That’s going to eliminate a lot of buyers.

Consider including more details on factory options packages in you listing (e.g. Exec Package).

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

The listing has an accident reported???

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Listing indicates car has been in an accident? That’s going to eliminate a lot of buyers.

Consider including more details on factory options packages in you listing (e.g. Exec Package).

WTF? If this guy is in the "car business" he is a lot boy at best.

Enjoy asking the same question over and over OP and good luck dumping it.

[BzsBimmer]

#Roundup kills weeds

[MisterF80M3]

Wait, you paid 57k used but you are able to sell it for around 50k? Why the heck are you complaining?

I paid 75k brand new for my M3 and it is probably worth only 55k now. You don't see me complaining.

[gatorfast]

lol at complaining that a one year old car with two owners and an accident on record is depreciating faster than expected

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by minn19

WTF? If this guy is in the "car business" he is a lot boy at best.

Enjoy asking the same question over and over OP and good luck dumping it.

Lot boy

I guess they still have those kicking around

[derekfelix1]

Everyone relax. I threw an ad up while I was bored at work with random pictures i already had on my phone. I am in no hurry to sell this vehicle as it is a pretty damn good M4. 6 speed with an exhaust, clear bra keeps it in good shape and M4's are in no way a bad car plus my maintenance is included so over all I'm in good shape.

After I was done organizing the cars on the lot i jumped behind a sales managers desk and pulled the carfax.. accident was cosmetic and before it was even titled so as long as you don't allow a dealership to take advantage of you it is nothing you can't overcome.

I over looked the accident when I purchased mainly because the price and the history of the damage plus the exhaust, steering wheel, and competition package sold me.

Everyone forgive me for being a little disappointed with my first BMW, I just had higher expectations.

With that being said I will enjoy the luxury of the car and settle with less performance than I am used to until I can find a way out the M4 with out dropping 7.5k to cover the negative all at once. Probably drive it until the end of the year and trade.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by derekfelix1

Everyone relax. I threw an ad up while I was bored at work with random pictures i already had on my phone. I am in no hurry to sell this vehicle as it is a pretty damn good M4. 6 speed with an exhaust, clear bra keeps it in good shape and M4's are in no way a bad car plus my maintenance is included so over all I'm in good shape.

After I was done organizing the cars on the lot i jumped behind a sales managers desk and pulled the carfax.. accident was cosmetic and before it was even titled so as long as you don't allow a dealership to take advantage of you it is nothing you can't overcome.

I over looked the accident when I purchased mainly because the price and the history of the damage plus the exhaust, steering wheel, and competition package sold me.

Everyone forgive me for being a little disappointed with my first BMW, I just had higher expectations.

With that being said I will enjoy the luxury of the car and settle with less performance than I am used to until I can find a way out the M4 with out dropping 7.5k to cover the negative all at once. Probably drive it until the end of the year and trade.

After you were done organizing the cars on the lot??? Are you a lot attendant? If so, no offense, but that hardly qualifies as "being in the car business".

If that isn't the case, what exactly do you do that makes you "in the car business"?

[Habber]

Not meant to poke, but I'm curious if you test drove the car before you bought it.