Potenza RE-11 differences with PSS

[RocketBoots]

Originally Posted by elmerzasty

I feel there is a common misconception that BMW is stupid not to put "properly" wide tires on M cars and make the wheels look stupid with the "rounded" sidewall of the F8x-specific PSS.

One reason for the F8x (* marked) specific PSS being narrower than generic PSS/other tire brands is stability and turn-in. The F8x specific tire sits in a trapezoid manner on the rim, which greatly eases turn-in capability, makes the steering far more precise and provides excellent steering inputs and stabilizes the car when changing direction without running insane tire pressures thus providing reasonable ride comfort.

From my experience, actually wider tires (i.e. the RE-11's in stock sizes) should be used on WIDER rims, that is if the actual contact patch of a tire is, let's say, 1 inch wider than stock F8x PSS, it should be put on a 1 inch wider wheel.

While there is no doubt that running wider (having a wider actual contact patch width) tires on stock rims will most likely increase pure traction (this is basic physics), it may negatively impact driving dynamics, especially the steering.

I know lots of you are running wider tires on stock wheels and feel that cornering is "better" - but trust me, it would be even better with properly wider rims. Or actually, you don't have to trust me, just trust M GmbH - they choose their tires and wheels for a reason.

Just my 0.02.

You have to realize the F8X is not an all out performance car, and thus does not have an all out performance tire. Otherwise, they probably would have used a tire like the Pilot Sport Cup on the GTS. As CAM3 said, I think wet traction has a lot to do with the tire choice. I'm sure many other factors were considered, including cost, cold weather performance, comfort, etc etc, in addition to performance and integration with the car. The car can obviously do well with a huge variety of wheels/tires. The ZCP has 20's, put on the car by BMW themselves. I think people can tip the balance more toward all out summer dry performance, sacrificing other qualities that BMW couldn't (as an OEM, mass market manufacturer). In that case, maybe BMW didn't put "properly wide" tires on the car.

I'll need a new set of tires soon. I wouldn't mind staying OEM, but the PSS seem to be out of stock everywhere, and these RE11's look like a real good alternative.

[yellowssm]

We need someone that has experience on both the RE-11 and the newer RE71R. Im getting one of these next go around

[gonoyaro11]

RE11 265/35/19 will fit on 9??

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by dohoh87

RE11 265/35/19 will fit on 9??

Per tire rack (9-10.5) rims length and (285 9.5-11)

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by gthal

Exactly why I love the RE-11... a slight step behind the AD-08R/RE-71R in performance but quiet and comfortable. It's a great dual purpose tire.

I believe Bridgestone is discontinuing it unfortunately with the release of the RE-71R. Originally, I was told it isn't being discontinued but Tire Rack now tells me it will be phased out. That sucks, IMO, as it really still has a place in the line up for someone who wants a very livable extreme performance tire. The RE-71R for those who want the absolute best grip and the RE-11 for those who are willing to sacrifice a little grip for comfort (but still be better than the PSS and other max performance summer tires).

lets get this thread back up and running. How are the RE-11 holding up and would you recommed for a daily driver vs stock set up? What kinda mileage can you expect?

You sold me on these and im excited to order them

[gthal]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

lets get this thread back up and running. How are the RE-11 holding up and would you recommed for a daily driver vs stock set up? What kinda mileage can you expect?

You sold me on these and im excited to order them

I think they are every bit as good as a DD tire as the PSS. I had no noticeable decline in comfort or noise. Maybe slight but so slight I didn't really feel it.

Unfortunately, they've been off the car and in the garage over winter... so mileage is hard to judge Ran them 3 months last summer and they look essentially new still. Time will tell.

[M4ymb]

Currently have the RE-11 on the M4.

Size and offset

TE37

F - 19x9.5 +21 with 275/30/19 RE11
R - 19x11 +34 with 305/30/19 RE11

Review of RE11

NOT a sub 60 degree ambient temp tire. Don't try it.

8 out of 10 in the rain handling

7 out of 10 for noise

Wear - Had these same tires in the same sizes on my old Porsche GT3. They will last 7-9K miles. Thats with one track weekend day per month.

Dry warm days are what these tires are made for. About 10 hot laps and they get very greasy. Tire pressure will rise about 7-8psi when they get hot. So if your using these on the street and traveling on the interstate where the road temps are 100+ degree and tire temps are high you'll need to think about adjusting PSI often.

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by M4ymb

Currently have the RE-11 on the M4.

Size and offset

TE37

F - 19x9.5 +21 with 275/30/19 RE11
R - 19x11 +34 with 305/30/19 RE11

Review of RE11

NOT a sub 60 degree ambient temp tire. Don't try it.

8 out of 10 in the rain handling

7 out of 10 for noise

Wear - Had these same tires in the same sizes on my old Porsche GT3. They will last 7-9K miles. Thats with one track weekend day per month.

Dry warm days are what these tires are made for. About 10 hot laps and they get very greasy. Tire pressure will rise about 7-8psi when they get hot. So if your using these on the street and traveling on the interstate where the road temps are 100+ degree and tire temps are high you'll need to think about adjusting PSI often.

do the tires have to be 60 or outside weather because with mpss they heat up quickly though its 50 degrees out, (about 75)

Can they handle cold mornings if driven gingerly?

Trying to maximize grip but has to be a family car hauler sometimes.

Im fine with them lasting 10K but not 5K there is likely be no track events

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by gthal

I think they are every bit as good as a DD tire as the PSS. I had no noticeable decline in comfort or noise. Maybe slight but so slight I didn't really feel it.

Unfortunately, they've been off the car and in the garage over winter... so mileage is hard to judge Ran them 3 months last summer and they look essentially new still. Time will tell.

what would you rate the stock mpss set up and bridgestones. these sound like the tires I need in my life

[Cajun1]

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7 out of 10 for noise

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How would you rate the PSS?

[M4ymb]

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

do the tires have to be 60 or outside weather because with mpss they heat up quickly though its 50 degrees out, (about 75)

Can they handle cold mornings if driven gingerly?

Trying to maximize grip but has to be a family car hauler sometimes.

Im fine with them lasting 10K but not 5K there is likely be no track events

If you drive normal / No jackass driving, then you'll be fine. Expect no more than 1/4 throttle pulls on cold mornings.

If you don't hit the track with stock alignment settings I'd say 10K miles

Originally Posted by infamousdiz

what would you rate the stock mpss set up and bridgestones. these sound like the tires I need in my life

Mpss - 8.5 out of 10 noise

Mpss - 6 of 10 Grip

Mpss - Cold weather is not as bad unless its below freezing.

Wet traction is about the same

Dry traction the RE-11 hands down as long as they are in the correct temp range.

Also you need to heat cycle in any tire that has a 200AA or less rating

So the RE-11 will not be instant grip when new.

Need to also note that the sidewall of the RE11 is a lot stiffer than the M-PSS. So the ride will be slightly harder but turn in and feedback will increase.

Originally Posted by Cajun1

How would you rate the PSS?

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by M4ymb

If you drive normal / No jackass driving, then you'll be fine. Expect no more than 1/4 throttle pulls on cold mornings.

If you don't hit the track with stock alignment settings I'd say 10K miles



Mpss - 8.5 out of 10 noise

Mpss - 6 of 10 Grip

Mpss - Cold weather is not as bad unless its below freezing.

If mpss are 6-10 for grip what are the RE11s? 8-10?

Wet traction is about the same

Dry traction the RE-11 hands down as long as they are in the correct temp range.

Also you need to heat cycle in any tire that has a 200AA or less rating

So the RE-11 will not be instant grip when new.

Need to also note that the sidewall of the RE11 is a lot stiffer than the M-PSS. So the ride will be slightly harder but turn in and feedback will increase.

How does one heat cycle without track, does everyone do this with re11, If the MPSS are 6-10 for grip what are the RE11s an 8 out of 10? I dont mind a hard ride actually the kids love it. The exhuast with the baffles open put the kids to sleep no lie. the baby gets upset if i don't open the exhaust or put the x5M in M mode

[MyFragileHalogen]

From what this thread says, RE-11 seems like a good alternative for MPSS. Moreover it's a lot cheaper! But it seems like I am stuck with MPSS due to 30~40F raining winter in Portland.

[jgoldsmith729]

Second post, but I figured it overlapped between this thread and the 18" wheel thread.

I just got a major flat this morning on my RR tire and was dealing with another on the LR tire yesterday. It's time for new rubber!

Has anyone mounted the RE11's on their stock 18's? They have the following sizes:

275/35R18
275/40R18
285/30R18

It looks like people who are changing their 19" MPSS to RE11's go with the wider 285/35/19. I think the 30 sidewall on the 18" will be too short. It looks like the 19" Bridgestones run almost 1" wider than the MPSS.

Main objective: more traction!!! Another option would be to run the 295 MPSS.

Please let me know your thoughts!

[black335i]

Would the rating of dry traction be significantly better than stock PSS?

[gthal]

Originally Posted by black335i

Would the rating of dry traction be significantly better than stock PSS?

Not sure by "rating" but the dry traction is better than the PSS in my experience. As is responsiveness, turn in, stiffness, etc. It is in a higher performance category (extreme vs. max).

[infamousdiz]

Originally Posted by MyFragileHalogen

From what this thread says, RE-11 seems like a good alternative for MPSS. Moreover it's a lot cheaper! But it seems like I am stuck with MPSS due to 30~40F raining winter in Portland.

What you just described zero performance tires fit 30-40 degrees, it tune for winters in winter. Then Poland gets every bit warm for summers

[MHOW996]

Just ordered a set of RE11's in the 265/35 front, 285/35 rear 19". Has anyone run this size on stock electronic suspension and no spacers? How does it look in filling in the wheel gap?

TIA
Mark

[3er]

Originally Posted by MHOW996

Just ordered a set of RE11's in the 265/35 front, 285/35 rear 19". Has anyone run this size on stock electronic suspension and no spacers? How does it look in filling in the wheel gap?

TIA
Mark

Yup, starting on post #249: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...php?p=19826445

[MHOW996]

Thanks. Tires mounted. Drove a total of 7 miles before flying out of town for work.

How is everyone doing with the tires?

[mcvaughan]

Originally Posted by MHOW996

Thanks. Tires mounted. Drove a total of 7 miles before flying out of town for work.

How is everyone doing with the tires?

Happy with mine. Have maybe 3k on mine. Next time I may try RE-71R, but not sure on the advantages.

[Grayf82]

Recently installed the 265/285 19" RE11 combo; replacing the original PSS @ 13k.

Very noticeable difference between new PSS and new RE11's in overall rear end traction. HUGE difference between worn PSS and new RE11. I really felt like I couldn't drive the car safely with worn PSS. The car was all over the place. I now have 3 different cars running RE11's! I have been very happy with them on my other two cars too. (Cayman S & Mini JCW.)