m4 coupe verses m4 convertible

[///Pip]

Originally Posted by F83

You will never notice the extra weight on the road. You just won't. However you will notice it somewhat on the track - particularly if the track doesn't allow verts which is common.

So the point being - don't buy a vert if you're looking for a track car. If you are not, irrelevant.

Sorry ... I disagree ... tested both back to back ... big difference even on normal roads ... weight with roof up is very noticeable.

The vert with the top down practically leaves no trunk space.

And whatever trunk space you have with the top up ... is useless because you always have to leave that space empty for just in case you wanna put the top down.

With the top up ... the rear seat headroom is a lot less than in the coupe.

These 2 compromises (boot space and rear seat room) makes the 2+2+boot advantage of the M4 over it's 2 seater competitors almost non existent ...

If I'm in the market for a convertible so I can hear loud exhaust sound, wind/sun in my hair/face, and most importantly, light and good handling ... i'd go with ...

BOXSTER GTS ...

My opinion anyway

[F83]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

Sorry ... I disagree ... tested both back to back ... big difference even on normal roads ... weight with roof up is very noticeable.

The vert with the top down practically leaves no trunk space.

And whatever trunk space you have with the top up ... is useless because you always have to leave that space empty for just in case you wanna put the top down.

With the top up ... the rear seat headroom is a lot less than in the coupe.

These 2 compromises (boot space and rear seat room) makes the 2+2+boot advantage of the M4 over it's 2 seater competitors almost non existent ...

If I'm in the market for a convertible so I can hear loud exhaust sound, wind/sun in my hair/face, and most importantly, light and good handling ... i'd go with ...

BOXSTER GTS ...

My opinion anyway

Well, after 3500 miles in the vert and hundreds of hours in virtually every M made over the past 15 years (except the M6 strangely enough, never driven one) - I personally disagree. So do the overwhelming number of reviewers BTW - they all criticize the amount of extra weight but then quickly add "but honestly you're not going to notice it if you're not on the track" FWIW.

As I said, the big and inescapably relevant performance issue is that most tracks don't allow verts. That is truly the thing that someone should think about before buying one. If you want to track it - and its not a qualifying car - well guess what? You're just out of luck.

As for trunk space and rear seat space - honestly - nonsense. With top up you have the same trunk size (more or less) as the F82. With the top down you have about half that trunk space. You also have the ability to put the back seat down - creating a protective carpet surface - which then allows you to put big boxes and what-not into the car if you have the top down. Done that once, try that with the F82! Rear seat space is no more an issue than it is with the F82. Getting in and out can be tricky but it is no 2+2. The back seats are perfectly serviceable for mid-sized adults on a reasonable ride. (Wouldn't try to cross the country back there as a 200 pound 6 foot man though).

Anyway, Kirk out - its true the vert is not for everyone but I would hate to see people making decisions on misleading information.

[///Pip]

Originally Posted by F83

I would hate to see people making decisions on misleading information.

True that

[devildog5811]

No issues hearing the exhaust in the vert as well

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by F83

Well, after 3500 miles in the vert and hundreds of hours in virtually every M made over the past 15 years (except the M6 strangely enough, never driven one) - I personally disagree. So do the overwhelming number of reviewers BTW - they all criticize the amount of extra weight but then quickly add "but honestly you're not going to notice it if you're not on the track" FWIW.

As I said, the big and inescapably relevant performance issue is that most tracks don't allow verts. That is truly the thing that someone should think about before buying one. If you want to track it - and its not a qualifying car - well guess what? You're just out of luck.

As for trunk space and rear seat space - honestly - nonsense. With top up you have the same trunk size (more or less) as the F82. With the top down you have about half that trunk space. You also have the ability to put the back seat down - creating a protective carpet surface - which then allows you to put big boxes and what-not into the car if you have the top down. Done that once, try that with the F82! Rear seat space is no more an issue than it is with the F82. Getting in and out can be tricky but it is no 2+2. The back seats are perfectly serviceable for mid-sized adults on a reasonable ride. (Wouldn't try to cross the country back there as a 200 pound 6 foot man though).

Anyway, Kirk out - its true the vert is not for everyone but I would hate to see people making decisions on misleading information.

Good assessment, and I dropped the M5 for this car and I drive it hands down more than the M5 fun factor. Again, I really wanted a vert so this fit the bill. Storage I can take my golf clubs no problem, and if we take a trip we take two roller boards no issues. If it's a long trip that's what the Range Rover is for, and the M4 is a ton of for me. I would say most people purchasing a M3 and M4 trunk space was not first on the decision tree, I would say performance, looks, and the need of 4 doors possibly.

They're all good looking cars IMHO, but if I needed 4 doors I would have kept the M5 just not fond of a 4 door sports car. (That's just me) The other vert I would have considered is the Audi RS5 which is not out yet. I just enjoy what ever varient you have, and be safe!!

[TAL2GK]

Once you've gone topless, you won't want to go back! With the F83 being a hardtop vert, you get to go topless when you want to or you get a 99% coupe when you don't.

[captainaudio]

Previous to the F83 I had a 2007 335i (E93) convertible. I purchased the BMW fitted luggage for the E93 and it fits the F83 perfectly. The back seat is usable for reasonable size people. I have ridden in the back of both cars myself and although I would not want to go cross country back there for reasonably long trips they are more than adequate and are nothing like the rear seats of a Porsche 911 or of out Jaguar XKR.

My wife and I have taken extended trips in both cars. We generally keep the top up on the way to the destination as we tend to be on interstates which IMO are not great venues for topless driving, We put the top down, load the back seat, put the top up and load the trunk. Once we arrive at our destination we unpack, leave the suitcases in our room and enjoy top down motoring until we head back.

Below are pictures of the BMW luggage in the E93 and the F83 and another showing how much luggage can fit in these cars with the rear seat folded down and the top up. For trips of a shorter duration we use the fitted luggage in the back seat and a smaller load in the trunk that allows us to lower the top. Try that with a Boxster GTS.

[///Pip]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Previous to the F83 I had a 2007 335i (E93) convertible. I purchased the BMW fitted luggage for the E93 and it fits the F83 perfectly. The back seat is usable for reasonable size people. I have ridden in the back of both cars myself and although I would not want to go cross country back there for reasonably long trips they are more than adequate and are nothing like the rear seats of a Porsche 911 or of out Jaguar XKR.

My wife and I have taken extended trips in both cars. We generally keep the top up on the way to the destination as we tend to be on interstates which IMO are not great venues for topless driving, We put the top down, load the back seat, put the top up and load the trunk. Once we arrive at our destination we unpack, leave the suitcases in our room and enjoy top down motoring until we head back.

Below are pictures of the BMW luggage in the E93 and the F83 and another showing how much luggage can fit in these cars with the rear seat folded down and the top up. For trips of a shorter duration we use the fitted luggage in the back seat and a smaller load in the trunk that allows us to lower the top. Try that with a Boxster GTS.

That's an awesome amount of bags !!!
(and unusually a lot for 2 ppl)

These bags are also especially selected to fit the Vert ... which is fine

Hence my point ...

M4
2+2 + bags for 4 ppl

M4 Vert
1+1 + bags for 2 ppl
or
2+2 + bags for 2 ppl
or
1+1 + bags for 4 ppl

Vert just doesn't have the correct practicality combination (Because how the roof folds)

But hey, it's all good ... buy what you like



Boxster GTS can fit almost (2/3) as many bags if they are tailored made for it

More than enough space for 2 ppl travelling ...

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

That's an awesome amount of bags !!!
(and unusually a lot for 2 ppl)

These bags are also especially selected to fit the Vert ... which is fine

Hence my point ...

M4
2+2 + bags for 4 ppl

M4 Vert
1+1 + bags for 2 ppl
or
2+2 + bags for 2 ppl
or
1+1 + bags for 4 ppl

Vert just doesn't have the correct practicality combination (Because how the roof folds)

But hey, it's all good ... buy what you like



Boxster GTS can fit almost (2/3) as many bags if they are tailored made for it

More than enough space for 2 ppl travelling ...

When we first got the 335i we went away for the Labor Day weekend with another couple and a reasonable amount of luggage for 4 people. On a few occasions we have had two passengers in the back seat. The vast majority of the time there is nobody riding in back but it is nice to have the capability as the need does come up from time to time.

Riding in the back seat with the top down for anything other than a short distance at moderate speed is not a very pleasant experience for most people so IMO not being able to put the top down when there are passengers in the back and luggage for four in the trunk is not an issue.

With the 750Lix although I frequently had rear seat passengers we never had a situation where we had 4 peop0le and luggage for four people on board although the car obviously was designed to easily accommodate that situation.

[F83]

Originally Posted by ///Pip

That's an awesome amount of bags !!!
(and unusually a lot for 2 ppl)

These bags are also especially selected to fit the Vert ... which is fine

Hence my point ...

M4
2+2 + bags for 4 ppl

M4 Vert
1+1 + bags for 2 ppl
or
2+2 + bags for 2 ppl
or
1+1 + bags for 4 ppl

Vert just doesn't have the correct practicality combination (Because how the roof folds)

But hey, it's all good ... buy what you like

That math only works if you are keeping the top down. You're disregarding the fact that you don't have to do that. You can keep the top up on the F83 and if you do you have 100% as much storage space as you have in the F82. So the correct way of saying it is;

F82
2+2 plus bags for 4
1+1 plus bags for 8

F83
2+2 plus bags for 4 with top up
1+1 plus bags for 8 with top up
1+1 plus bags for 6 with top down
2+2 plus bags for 2 with top down

The point is; just because you can put the top down doesn't mean you have to. If you need the luggage space - pack er up and keep the top up. The F83 gives you that flexibility. That's not a negative.

[///Pip]

Originally Posted by F83

That math only works if you are keeping the top down. You're disregarding the fact that you don't have to do that. You can keep the top up on the F83 and if you do you have 100% as much storage space as you have in the F82. So the correct way of saying it is;

F82
2+2 plus bags for 4
1+1 plus bags for 8

F83
2+2 plus bags for 4 with top up
1+1 plus bags for 8 with top up
1+1 plus bags for 6 with top down
2+2 plus bags for 2 with top down

The point is; just because you can put the top down doesn't mean you have to. If you need the luggage space - pack er up and keep the top up. The F83 gives you that flexibility. That's not a negative.

Yups ... agree with that actually

With good advanced planning ... VERT can work from practicality POV

[JSCO]

nothing like hearing that exhaust and turbos spool with the top down....its a blast!!

[STooK]

Heh, there's no point trying to convince people that the vert's weight penalty isn't as bad as it sounds when you actually drive it. Already been there and done that on the e9x side.

That e93 storage bag looks amazing though, I wish I had it but I don't do too many road trips in it so probably pointless for me. Cool to see that it exists though.

[Sinof]

IMO the VERT looks more aggressive with the top up than the coupe.

[Shoppingmamma70]

Originally Posted by guarnibl

There's a sharp angle difference on the 'vert vs the coupe. However, it's WAY better than a soft top, and I still think it looks sharp. You can always add a rear diffuser and small trunk spoiler to help. The transition between the rear pillar and trunk isn't as nice on the vert... it's more seamless on the coupe.

IMO, vert is worth it though. Besides, when are you staring at your car? For 5 seconds in the garage? The rest of the time you're going to be enjoying the top down That's really what it came down to for me. I can't see my car while driving it, and the looks are close enough.

The other issue is resale... the 'verts are worth less than coupes after 3 years -- I think that will continue.

Is the resale that much less? I didn't consider that.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Shoppingmamma70

Hi, I'm in the market for a new m4, but can't decide on the a coupe or convertible. Does the convertible top change the exterior appearance? I want the car to still look as eye catching, and aggressive as it should, but was considering the convertible for a change of pace. I am having trouble finding any side-by-side pics of a coupe next to a convertible with it's top up to see if the appearance changes any. If any of you can give me some pros and cons to either, and supply some pics of them side-by-side I would be greatly appreciate it.

Am I the only one that is going to ask about a convertible in NFLD?

....of course you could always buy the couple and then use a moose to create a 'vert like Steve Bromley from Conche....

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...of-on-your-car

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by Shoppingmamma70

Is the resale that much less? I didn't consider that.

Kelley Blue Book shows private sale price of 37,655 for a 2010 M3 Convertible and 36,551 for a 2010 M3 Coupe.



http://www.kbb.com/whats-my-car-worth/

[Shoppingmamma70]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Previous to the F83 I had a 2007 335i (E93) convertible. I purchased the BMW fitted luggage for the E93 and it fits the F83 perfectly. The back seat is usable for reasonable size people. I have ridden in the back of both cars myself and although I would not want to go cross country back there for reasonably long trips they are more than adequate and are nothing like the rear seats of a Porsche 911 or of out Jaguar XKR.

My wife and I have taken extended trips in both cars. We generally keep the top up on the way to the destination as we tend to be on interstates which IMO are not great venues for topless driving, We put the top down, load the back seat, put the top up and load the trunk. Once we arrive at our destination we unpack, leave the suitcases in our room and enjoy top down motoring until we head back.

Below are pictures of the BMW luggage in the E93 and the F83 and another showing how much luggage can fit in these cars with the rear seat folded down and the top up. For trips of a shorter duration we use the fitted luggage in the back seat and a smaller load in the trunk that allows us to lower the top. Try that with a Boxster GTS.

Wow, that is awesome. I didn't know this luggage existed. One less thing to worry about. Starting to love the idea of getting a convertible. Thanks for the pics

[Shoppingmamma70]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Am I the only one that is going to ask about a convertible in NFLD?

....of course you could always buy the couple and then use a moose to create a 'vert like Steve Bromley from Conche....

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...of-on-your-car

Haha, I guess everywhere has it's challenges, but it shouldn't stop us from trying to enjoy ourselves, no matter where we live.

I think the odds of hitting a moose are a little less likely than a deer at least. Thanks for the thought tho

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto...it-deer-1.aspx

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by Shoppingmamma70

Is the resale that much less? I didn't consider that.

It's basically a grand less than coupe of equal spec when I was checking auction values.

So -- yes. That extra you pay for the convertible is gone the day you drive it off the lot.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Shoppingmamma70

Haha, I guess everywhere has it's challenges, but it shouldn't stop us from trying to enjoy ourselves, no matter where we live.

I think the odds of hitting a moose are a little less likely than a deer at least. Thanks for the thought tho

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto...it-deer-1.aspx

true, but a moose will mess you up so much more.

PLUS donna the deer lady has the solution to avoid hitting deer.....

[Devilzmantis]

The Coupe is more of a Fastback where the Vert is a Notchback. It's whatever you prefer. The Fastback to me at first glance makes the back look a bit bulky, but then again i started seeing different colors and mods that made it look perfect! It's whatever you prefer really.

As in performance... well yah, it's a .3 sec difference during takeoff and you will feel it in highspeed turns but barely. It's not like the old E93 vert where the weight is a HUGE performance problem because of the low torque.