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      12-28-2014, 06:57 PM   #23
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Already have a chip off the paint from an aberrant rock. The hood paint job is wafer thin. I have the MWM touch up paint from BMW but it will not adhere to the underlying aluminum surface. :
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I noticed the rubber trim on the sides of my windshield are faded very significantly. I've never used any product on them to cause the fade. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Already have a chip off the paint from an aberrant rock. The hood paint job is wafer thin. I have the MWM touch up paint from BMW but it will not adhere to the underlying aluminum surface. :
Prime it 1st, Or use bondo ( Almost fill it flush)then prime, paint. It won't be perfect but it something..

Have you thought about finding a professional that will correct it?

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Youtube ( Search Paint Chips Repair) AmmoNYC.. Larry is a legit Pro Detailer and also makes great how to car videos
http://www.ammonyc.com/detailing/rid...-mercedes-g55/

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Already have a chip off the paint from an aberrant rock. The hood paint job is wafer thin. I have the MWM touch up paint from BMW but it will not adhere to the underlying aluminum surface. :
Prime it 1st, Or use bondo ( Almost fill it flush)then prime, paint. It won't be perfect but it something..

Have you thought about finding a professional that will correct it?

Insurance claim?


Youtube ( Search Paint Chips Repair) AmmoNYC.. Larry is a legit Pro Detailer and also makes great how to car videos
http://www.ammonyc.com/detailing/rid...-mercedes-g55/
Thanks for the info...good video with easy to follow instructions.
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Thanks for the info...good video with easy to follow instructions.
May we

Post some before and after shots

He has all kinds of DIY videos.. An guy seems to care, and his products aren't bad either.
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I noticed the rubber trim on the sides of my windshield are faded very significantly. I've never used any product on them to cause the fade. Has anyone else experienced this?
Mines the same way. You can try using 303 Aerospace Protectant, it may help the dull look.
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Mines the same way. You can try using 303 Aerospace Protectant, it may help the dull look.
Oh sweet sounds alot easier than taking it to the dealer. You said yours is the same have u tried this product?
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Oh sweet sounds alot easier than taking it to the dealer. You said yours is the same have u tried this product?
Yes, it works but it's not a permanent fix unfortunately.
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I noticed the rubber trim on the sides of my windshield are faded very significantly. I've never used any product on them to cause the fade. Has anyone else experienced this?
Mines the same way. You can try using 303 Aerospace Protectant, it may help the dull look.
+1 on the 303 protectant. Can be used on rubber and plastic surfaces. Make sure to wipe off excess with microfiber towel. Some folks actually use it on their tire sidewalls...haven't done that yet.
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Yes, it works but it's not a permanent fix unfortunately.
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+1 on the 303 protectant. Can be used on rubber and plastic surfaces. Make sure to wipe off excess with microfiber towel. Some folks actually use it on their tire sidewalls...haven't done that yet.
Thanks ! I'll definitely try this fix
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I noticed the rubber trim on the sides of my windshield are faded very significantly. I've never used any product on them to cause the fade. Has anyone else experienced this?
Mines the same way. You can try using 303 Aerospace Protectant, it may help the dull look.
Is it basically the same as Meguires trim restorer? I used that on my 05 mini after buying it recently and its completely transformed the fading on the trim. The car looks new from 5 feet
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Is it basically the same as Meguires trim restorer? I used that on my 05 mini after buying it recently and its completely transformed the fading on the trim. The car looks new from 5 feet
I don't have experience with that product but seeing it's for trims I'm sure it works the same just make sure it's okay to use for plastics and rubber.
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      12-29-2014, 12:29 AM   #35
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True... BMW paint jobs suck

It is a big industry issue (orange peel) but BMW seems to be worse than other luxury brands in my experience.
My understanding is that the orange peel is there to provide a layer that can be abraded for minor paint repairs.

It doesn't excuse how ridiculously thin the paint is, though. I've had the hood chipped by a damn bug! Granted I hit him at about a buck fifty, but still, it's like they want us to clearbra or wrap the whole car.

In fact, I bet if they made their paint thicker, we wouldn't need the orange peel layer. Damn German efficiency.
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My understanding is that the orange peel is there to provide a layer that can be abraded for minor paint repairs.

It doesn't excuse how ridiculously thin the paint is, though. I've had the hood chipped by a damn bug! Granted I hit him at about a buck fifty, but still, it's like they want us to clearbra or wrap the whole car.

In fact, I bet if they made their paint thicker, we wouldn't need the orange peel layer. Damn German efficiency.
Just a slight clarification. All manufacturers have some orange peel and it is NOT because they are providing a layer that can be abraded in the future if need be. That is, it is NOT intentional

Orange peel is typically the result of improper painting technique and it is generally made worse (and more difficult to manage) because of the paint formulas needed to appease environmentalists. It is caused by the quick evaporation of thinner, incorrect spray gun setup, spraying the paint at an angle other than perpendicular, or applying excessive paint. However, some companies still manage to have less orange peel visibility than others as a result of their painting process. At the end of the day, orange peel is simply uneven clear coat (i.e. it is wavy). Some companies remove orange peel manually before releasing the car (I believe this is done to limited production cars like the Viper). It is more about the clear coat than the paint itself which is why it can be removed by abrasive polishing.

After someone buys their car, a good detailer can remove the orange peel by wet sanding the car and leveling the clear coat. As you know, wet sanding, if done correctly, never gets to the paint layer and only removes a small amount of clear coat. Many new owners will have their car wet sanded to remove the orange peel to get a perfect finish.

So, if BMW wanted to they could reduce the orange peel look but they make a cost/benefit call and don't. It isn't because they are doing us some future favour in case of needing to repair the paint Think about that, why would you compromise the look of every car you sell simply to make paint correction easier on a very few cars in the future Clear coat can, and is, able to be applied without the wavy orange peel look and you can still perform minor repairs to the clear coat that doesn't have orange peel through abrasive polishing, etc if need be.

Every car I have owned has had some level of orange peel but BMW are generally the most visible. My C63 was pretty good and was one of the best of any car I've owned.
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That's why I said per se... It goes away w a drive.. So while it's technically rust it's not like a rusty old bumper eating away at the car, which seems to be what the op is getting at...I had a feeling the literal police would be out in full force as soon as I wrote it.
Excuse me Mr. Literal Policeman,
Your statements are kind of funny seeings how the reason I said anything is because you were the one correcting the OP and letting the guy know that it wasn't really rust. Even though I'm quite sure he already knew that it wasn't like a rusty bumper and more just a coating rust on the rotor. Maybe you need to look at what you write yourself and the way you respond to others before jumping on someone else.

The truth of the matter it is rust per se. No it's not like a flaking rusty old piece of iron that has weathered for years, but the none the less it's rust. Anyone with a decent set of eyes can figure that out without your guidance.
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I completely understand where the OP is coming from, and to that point, I've never understood why BMW doesn't use cadmium plating, at least on the M cars.

Sure it won't prevent rust on the rotors surface, but that's never been an issue that can't be fixed with braking once or twice. It's the rust that builds up in the non-contact areas, that drives me crazy. Washing the wheels again from rust drips, after I've washed them already, is a pain.
Have you seen the consequences of cadmium? I worked on a project to rid the ships I work on of the cadmium coated connector back shells, bodies, ect.. The stuff is amazing at preserving, but equally amazing at desimating the human body. I believe the option of ceramic is best, but simply will not pay the high price to rid myself of the visual mess oxidizing steel offers the senses.
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Excuse me Mr. Literal Policeman,
Your statements are kind of funny seeings how the reason I said anything is because you were the one correcting the OP and letting the guy know that it wasn't really rust. Even though I'm quite sure he already knew that it wasn't like a rusty bumper and more just a coating rust on the rotor. Maybe you need to look at what you write yourself and the way you respond to others before jumping on someone else.

The truth of the matter it is rust per se. No it's not like a flaking rusty old piece of iron that has weathered for years, but the none the less it's rust. Anyone with a decent set of eyes can figure that out without your guidance.
Why are you so mad? Find me anywhere where I was attacking anyone? Two happy faces and you're still upset. Congrats on being angry for nothing . You win this internet battle and I hereby congratulate you in virtual toughness ! Sleep better tonight.
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Have you seen the consequences of cadmium? I worked on a project to rid the ships I work on of the cadmium coated connector back shells, bodies, ect.. The stuff is amazing at preserving, but equally amazing at desimating the human body. I believe the option of ceramic is best, but simply will not pay the high price to rid myself of the visual mess oxidizing steel offers the senses.
I never have, and you likely bring up a solid point - I've just never known capitalism to get in the way of destroying things, including people, if it delivers a better product.
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If the rotors are floating type then the hats are aluminum and shouldn't rust. The disc itself will oxidize but that is nothing. Some light brake will rub it right off.
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