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08-25-2017, 05:51 PM | #67 |
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Id say the chances for success with a lemon law lawyer would be very high...I would have lawyered up in this situation a long time ago...you have been more than patient here....many lemon law lawyers will not even charge anything up front.
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I would keep working on BMW firmly and politely until you receive the satisfaction you deserve. If you have test driven a new and a used M3 on their lot that do not exhibit the same problem as yours, I think that is clear evidence that your car has a legitimate problem. |
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It's very odd that they would start off replacing the transmission, but nonetheless you now have a new transmission and a new diff -- major potential wear items in the drivetrain.
If you have any desire to keep this car, try to work with BMWNA on getting a new driveshaft/couplings/etc, and have it properly installed. Perhaps you'll be able to convince them to follow that one step further given the experience of others here from various different countries. As an old engineer/car nut for ages for an issue like this one, if I was starting to troubleshoot this issue and the vibration *only* occurred during load of light acceleration through that speed range, I would almost completely rule out bent wheels/tire issues. If steady state conditions (constant speed, either coasting or maintenance throttle) revel no vibration, but it immediately appears on light acceleration that would point me to drivetrain *or* (in modern cars) potentially software and fuel/ignition issues -- this is what gets complicated so quickly on a modern car trying to isolate electrical and/or mechanical issues in the fuel delivery system and ignition versus a potential software issue. Most likely they'd load the latest programming and go from there on the fuel/ignition troubleshooting. An experienced tech/engineer might could develop a gut feel of whether its engine or drivetrain related just by feeling it happen. Of course datalogging what's going on with these is an easy and first step, and could quickly rule out the engine output as a problem. Looks like BMWNA MSRP on the driveshaft is $3139, and one could buy it from BMW Morristown online for $2354; hence dealer cost on that part is around $1950-2100 range. BMWNA's cost for the part from BMW AG is therefore in the range of $1600-1700. Someone could likely find out what the book rate is for changing out the driveshaft, but let's hope it's not more than 3hrs. BMWNA reimburses dealers at some fraction of their labor rate, so let's guess that is $75/hr for this dealer. Hence it might cost BMWNA $1700 plus $225, or about $2000 to replace that driveshaft. It doesn't seem like too much to ask when you point out that it is a small fraction of what's already spent, and this has a high potential to fix the car.
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Seriously though, I miss those simpler times too; where a tear down and rebuild in the garage was no big deal. Now, all the software and super tight tolerances for components today results in a narrower range of usability before failure. For gearheads, that's the trade off to have these precision machines. |
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Side note, in most states manufacturers are now required to pay MSRP/retail labor rate to dealers for warranty repairs. The difference is the labor time that dealers charge clients for customer pay work vs what warranty book time is. Retail clients are usually paying b/t 1.5-1.8 times the warranty labor time. So if BMW pays a dealer 3 hours to do a repair based on their book time, most dealers are going to charge their retail clients 4.5 hours to do the same job. But BMW still pays MSRP for the part and the same labor rate as retail clients do. In most states anyways. There are still a few states out there that really like to deprive their residents of fair wages at the behest of corporations. |
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I have the same exact issue. Vibration starts at about 67 mph, peaks at 72mph and is gone at 78 mph. Only occurs during acceleration.
Purchased the car new. 2017 M3 with comp pack. Anyone else have this issue? Is there a common denominator as to which cars have this problem? Very annoying and uncomfortable to say the least. Not normal for sure. |
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About a month ago they gave me a ridiculously low trade offer on my pristine 16 M4 with 6000 miles (like slap in the face ridiculous, 15k under another local dealer). Their whole reasoning was they got these "pristine" Perf Center cars super cheap and could offer them with CPO finance rates and full maintenance. They definitely don't sell them at a big discount tho I've seen some listed in the 70s with 5k miles. Ive taken my business to another local dealer after buying my last 4 M cars from United. |
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Many BMW dealers buy these at dealer only Manheim auctions and resell them. Not just BMW United. There are 2 of these M3s for sale at 2 different dealerships within 20 miles of me.
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Maybe United is the only one who gets them direct from the perf center. Or maybe they just lied. Either is possible.
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Maybe United just loves these performance center cars more so than other dealers?
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Filter on every single 2016 BMW M3 for sale on Autotrader.com. Look for the competition wheels in the pics of the results. Then click on the CarFax on each. Literally, almost every single 2016 with the competition package for sale right now is a previous M School car. Check it out yourself! BMW NA just dumped a fleet of these M School cars on the market over the last 2 months and they are at BMW dealerships across the country.
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No dealer is going to intentionally dismantle a car they are hoping to sell in an effort to resolve an issue BMWUSA is ultimately responsible for.
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Havent tried the others.... will do it and post back. |
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at this point I would either dump the car, or pay for a new driveshaft. If the new driveshaft solves the problem, I would go after BMW for reimbursement (after they give you the extended warranty)
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