12-09-2014, 11:32 AM | #23 | |
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Does the dealer not place the order or sell the car out from under you? Have people gone all the way to the Welt and had no car or the wrong car? |
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(1.) I was buying out-of-state for "a good deal", the dealer sent me contracts with simple errors like my name wrong, but also all kinds of shady buried fees. we went back/forth with overnight FedExs at least 10 times, probably closer to 20. I refused to sign a contract that wasn't as agreed and they kept trying to "renegotiate" by sneaking in fees. The summary is I spent huge hours chasing down every trick in the book. NOT WORTH IT. (2.) The dealer's service was horseshit. They didn't give me any updates, I couldn't get ahold of anyone without call after call after call. NOT WORTH IT. (3.) On re-delivery I had arranged courtesy delivery to my local dealership for free. All my out-of-state dealer had to do was fax them a doc once the car arrived. Guess what didn't get faxed? and this is despite me speaking directly with about 3 people the day prior and day of. Guess who I couldn't get ahold while my car sat on their lot? Ultimately that cost me $2000 to ship it. NOT WORTH IT. Cut to three years later. So this time I decided to go with a local dealer. Same shit. Dealer and i agree on a price, I special order the car, and the 3 weeks before I leave, suprise! Sneaky fees, bullshit crap, etc etc. Only this time I was prepared to walk. But after a few calls I found another dealer willing to provide no bullshit fees and good service who traded an allocation for my order. BMWNA switched the order over and it all worked out. Here's the thing on ED - you typically settle financing with dealer a few weeks (or a week) before you leave. Not a lot of leverage there for you. Of course there's other financing ways around this, but the net-net is it should be a great experience and the right dealer will make/break that for you. I'm not buying an M4 because I'm hunting for bargains, I want an awesome experience end-to-end and bullshit dealers ruin that for me so I've decided to pay for service. I've found that usually a good deal, isn't. Especially when buying a car.
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12-09-2014, 12:54 PM | #26 | |
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By the way, I am not planning on financing so not sure how that affects negotiations, good or bad.
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And you're right, paying MSRP (or closer to it than invoice) is far from a guarantee, but it's worked WAY better than the alternative so far for me - YMMV. People seem to be having good luck in areas with lots of dealers playing them off on another on the same day. Also if you want the best deals, PA and NJ dealers seem to be giving crazy good deals. I had a dealer who agreed to near invoice pricing, and in writing, within 10 minutes but I just couldn't go with an out-state dealer again. You might want to call them just to get an idea - they know the game. |
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I will be shooting for a 2016 so deals will be a little easier to get vs the launch year model. I'll be sure to post as and when it happens.
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Also it depends if I am buying or leasing. More likely to hold out for 2016 if buying. I plan on going with a local dealer who I had a prior good experience with. As long as they are in the ballpark, I will stay with them. If I'm buying a 70k car, a $1k difference isn't worth it to me. Your experience further confirms that. I applaud those who can get as spectacular deal, but some forum members turn it into a pissing contest. I have seen too many instances where members are derided for getting a crap deal. Most times the deals aren't crap they just aren't the best possible deals, but who cares if both parties are happy. |
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Exactly, for my time and peace of mind, yeah, it's worth it. At the end of the day we're talking a MAX of $4k but probably a lot less? Who gives a shit? Lots of people are tossing 3, 4, 5x that into mods.
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Yes, I'll take a stress free, smooth transaction over a bottom basement price with lots of wasted time and stress. Some people need to realize that their time is money. Saving 1-4k but spending 40 hours working the deal doesn't always add up. I just don't want to be treated like a chump, but this forum has so much info its hard to get completely ripped off.
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A better deal may be possible as I'm not too far from you. I still plan on checking local first, but it may work out to do a group buy. A lot depends on if the M3/M4 are off allocation by then. |
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That was a great car. I always remember how pissed 2006 330 owners were when it came out. |
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Be careful with Otto's on the MF. They like to pretend their marked up MF is the buy rate for the month. Back in November they were going with .00165.
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On another note, a bunch of us tried to do a M4 group buy but, of course, that failed since no dealer has a glut of allocations and the dealers aren't affiliated with BMW |
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Thank you so much for the great info! I will be using this template to submit my offers. I'm looking to have an order in by the weekend/early next week hopefully. I will keep you all updated! |
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Just don't rush it. Remember patience is the key and you have to be ready to walk away.
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Thanks. No worries there as I will not be leasing.
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