2018 Audi RS5 Released + Official Photos

[brava09]

Same goes for M4 coupes look the same

[amw896]

Thank you! I was thinking the same thing, the wheels are identical as well LOl

8spd auto and it will be heavy and pricy - rear diff is "option"....this should be standard no doubt.

I think this will be a competitor to the RC-F not the M4.

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Meh

Looks too much like a Honda Accord Coupe

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by shivaswrath

New M5 will be too..it's where the world is going.

Why does everyone hate on ZF8's? They are great on the track and rarely overheat. Which is surprising...

People hate on the ZF8 because they are ignorant. Most critics have never even driven the newest versions and pretend that driving a stick somehow makes them a purist. It is utterly idiotic, because sticks are absolutely worse performing, definitely NOT faster, and most people do not even buy them, hence why manufacturers have stopped offerring them on their highest performing cars. The only one's who care about them are a few vocal critics pretending to seem more macho, which is just silly. If actual race cars have done away with manual transmissions, there's a good reason for it.

[SavvyByNature]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

I have to disagree with you there - the C63 Coupe look like a$$. M4 and RS5 are much better looking...

I agree as well. The C63 looks beautiful in pictures, but when you see one in person.. the back looks like a hatchback or one of those CUV's people seem to like these days.

[adc]

Originally Posted by mc3456

People hate on the ZF8 because they are ignorant. Most critics have never even driven the newest versions and pretend that driving a stick somehow makes them a purist. It is utterly idiotic, because sticks are absolutely worse performing, definitely NOT faster, and most people do not even buy them, hence why manufacturers have stopped offerring them on their highest performing cars. The only one's who care about them are a few vocal critics pretending to seem more macho, which is just silly. If actual race cars have done away with manual transmissions, there's a good reason for it.

It isn't silly or idiotic, it's a preference. It increases the sense of connection I have to my car, I'm paying less for that privilege, and that works for me at the moment.

You are giving some objective arguments that just don't apply, partly because my preference is subjective and partly because the operating conditions are not like what you describe. I'm not participating in racing and at the driving schools I go to nobody cares what car or what transmission you have as long as you're safe and having fun. Plus my track times are decent, but that comes from driver not transmission.

Idiotic is claiming that your way is the best way for everyone.

[amw896]

I disagree, I drove my friends Jag XE which has the zf8 and found not much better than my old IS350 slushbox. Both transmissions are only impressive when accelerating. Other than that, I found them clunky, indecisive and hesitant on downshifts and more importantly "Boring as EFF" to drive.

I went back to a manual in my 235 almost entirely due to the utter boredem of driving my last auto. They are not faster, no doubt but way more fun to me and only a select bunch still lingering around i guess.

Originally Posted by mc3456

People hate on the ZF8 because they are ignorant. Most critics have never even driven the newest versions and pretend that driving a stick somehow makes them a purist. It is utterly idiotic, because sticks are absolutely worse performing, definitely NOT faster, and most people do not even buy them, hence why manufacturers have stopped offerring them on their highest performing cars. The only one's who care about them are a few vocal critics pretending to seem more macho, which is just silly. If actual race cars have done away with manual transmissions, there's a good reason for it.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by adc

It isn't silly or idiotic, it's a preference. It increases the sense of connection I have to my car, I'm paying less for that privilege, and that works for me at the moment.

You are giving some objective arguments that just don't apply, partly because my preference is subjective and partly because the operating conditions are not like what you describe. I'm not participating in racing and at the driving schools I go to nobody cares what car or what transmission you have as long as you're safe and having fun. Plus my track times are decent, but that comes from driver not transmission.

Idiotic is claiming that your way is the best way for everyone.

Thank you.

I don't think anyone who prefers manual trans is trying to argue that a manual is faster than a DCT or other advanced auto transmission. It's all about driver preference/feel.

Take the same argument with gas/electric. A Tesla will smoke most cars on the road. I'd prefer to be in a loud, slow V8 just because of the audio track provided by the motor.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by amw896

I disagree, I drove my friends Jag XE which has the zf8 and found not much better than my old IS350 slushbox. Both transmissions are only impressive when accelerating. Other than that, I found them clunky, indecisive and hesitant on downshifts and more importantly "Boring as EFF" to drive.

I went back to a manual in my 235 almost entirely due to the utter boredem of driving my last auto. They are not faster, no doubt but way more fun to me and only a select bunch still lingering around i guess.

I've got the ZF in my Quadrafoglio and it is none of the things you described. It is absolutely on par to the DCT in my just recently lease assigned M3 (as in 2 days ago). Drive the Quadrifoglio in Race Mode yourself and you'll change your tune. It upshifts and downshifts superfast. Clearly, a ZF is not a ZF. They have to all be tuned quite differently, and on the Alfa, it totally kicks ass. Shocking but true.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by adc

It isn't silly or idiotic, it's a preference. It increases the sense of connection I have to my car, I'm paying less for that privilege, and that works for me at the moment.

You are giving some objective arguments that just don't apply, partly because my preference is subjective and partly because the operating conditions are not like what you describe. I'm not participating in racing and at the driving schools I go to nobody cares what car or what transmission you have as long as you're safe and having fun. Plus my track times are decent, but that comes from driver not transmission.

Idiotic is claiming that your way is the best way for everyone.

Driving a manual may be be part of the vintage experience you crave, but you are objectively suboptimizing the performance potential of the engine by choosing one. If you prefer to churn your own butter, more power to you. I'm sure people who bought Pontiac Aztecs felt they were making a smart decision too. To each there own.

[forza1976]

I think it looks great. To bad their lease rates are so horrible.

[adc]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Driving a manual may be be part of the vintage experience you crave, but you are objectively suboptimizing the performance potential of the engine by choosing one. If you prefer to churn your own butter, more power to you. I'm sure people who bought Pontiac Aztecs felt they were making a smart decision too. To each there own.

It isn't suboptimizing anything if I'm faster than you.

You're suboptimizing the whole car thing, you could have a Porsche or a Ferrari instead. Where does it end?

Just because you drive around in a slush box equipped car doesn't somehow catapult you into the future lol.

[katit]

Good conversation. I drive manual and was really impressed with turbo S 911. PDK just fenomenal. But still, I want manual. I just feel more in control this way. Its more fun for me. Understand that modern DCTs faster, etc. But I just don't care.

I do live where I am rarely in traffic. If I had to commute in traffic I may choose different car and most likely 5 series

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Could be a very solid car... I have 2 issues though...

1) an 8 spd auto? Come On...
2)Is the 3650 lb curb weigh believable with AWD? I highly doubt that.

Sure it's believable - if you also believe the M4 weighs only 3405 lbs (per the original BMW press releases back in late 2013 - early 2014)...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Sure it's believable - if you also believe the M4 weighs only 3405 lbs (per the original BMW press releases back in late 2013 - early 2014)...

It was actually advertised at 3300lb (1497kg) in the original press release

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It was actually advertised at 3300lb (1497kg) in the original press release

The only thing funnier was there were people who actually believed it would weigh that much.

[evanescent03]

great looking car .. looks/feels more special than the F30-ish cars but is closer to their actual performance than Ms. I like the interior a lot in the audis.. my favorite of the bunch, but I'd never get one bc they're no fun on a track and I like taking my cars out on the circuit. as a pure DD I'm sure it's a great car to live with and plenty fun to drive. esthetics are nice as well!

[LukeM15]

Originally Posted by WestBankM4

Audi needs to bring the RS4 back and then it will see it's segment increase. The new RS5 just doesn't do it for me.

Best look was the 07-08 RS4, loved that car, motor, and drive train.

Agree....not sure why audi doesn't bring the RS4 but yea that new RS5 idk about the looks. The outgoing model wasn't bad looking imo.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It was actually advertised at 3300lb (1497kg) in the original press release

No kidding, right!? Seems that many manufacturers quote the "official" weights at introduction as hundreds of pounds lighter than even the most spartan trim level that anyone ever ends up purchasing (M3/M4, W205 C63, QV, RS5)....

[RACEM4TE]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

No kidding, right!? Seems that many manufacturers quote the "official" weights at introduction as hundreds of pounds lighter than even the most spartan trim level that anyone ever ends up purchasing (M3/M4, W205 C63, QV, RS5)....

But the M4 does weigh 1550 which is not that far off from 1497

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by RACEM4TE

But the M4 does weigh 1550 which is not that far off from 1497

No they don't. Real world, they are 1600+ kg cars.

EAS have posted several M4's on the scales, they all are well into the 3,500 lbs range.

US BMW site has realistic weights listed. Manual - 3,565 lbs, DCT - 3,620 lbs

[soultraveler00]

(Not my pic)
Not so sure about the exterior yet. The interior is really nice and I'm guessing high 11s in the 1/4mile

[RACEM4TE]

Originally Posted by soultraveler00

(Not my pic)
Not so sure about the exterior yet. The interior is really nice and I'm guessing high 11s in the 1/4mile

In the right colors, it looks stunning