MT Video: 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio VS. F80 M3 Comp Pack

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by mc3456

If you do that update, do you lose all the other Euro Adaptive LED headlight coding, plus the euro convenience settings? I've already started the lease assignment process, but wouldn't mind updating it for the next guy, and see for myself what I'd be missing out on, if I had kept the M3 instead of getting the Alfa. I fully intend to get another M3, but want to see some improvements made to avoid the same old same old.

On second thought, Based on that guys review in the link, very little is improved. Sounds like minor improvements at best. My annoyances were with Traction (capital T), not traction control intervention, and the herky-jerky 1-2 gear reactions. Resetting long-term memory always smooths things out, but eventually it re-appears 6-8 months later after lots of stop and go traffic.

You do have to get all the coding redone as it resets it. But it fixes all the things you have listed. My friend used to constantly complain that traction control would intervene if he got on the throttle on the highway and that never happens now. He also has smooth 1-2 shifts (DCT).

Honestly would recommend it 100%. It puts you 90% of the way towards ZCP. It's a crying shame BMW released the car in this condition as it rightfully had its detractors for exactly the things you've described.

[S65V8]

MT videos have become sooooo cheesy, I loathe cammisa reviews, and how he delivers the info. The best car reviews/videos nowadays are from DriveTribe imo.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Stock car, stock tires? Did you ever check the alignment?

Upgrading from PSS to a grippier street tire and adding more rear toe in (mine was pretty much zero rear toe from factory) made my f80 a lot more fun and stable exiting corners.

I think many people confuse DSC intervention with loss of traction. The overly intrusive (even in MDM) DSC is one weak point of the F8X IMO.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

My F80 is my first Bimmer. I drove Porsche turbos as daily drivers from about 89/90 through 2015. Lost my tried bought the first RCF sold here (needed a back seat for my now 5 year old) and a 991 GT3 at the same time when turning in my '12 997.2 tt cab.

Totaled the RCF on December 9, found out totaled on December 23, purchased the M3 that same day and immediately wished I had purchased another 911. Wifey let me pick up my CPO '12 C4S cab about 2 weeks later.

The M3 has really grown on me and it actually has a large back seat, much roomier than wife's Macan S. Took moment to get used to the seating position and having a larger car wrapped around me, but I gotta admit that I really grown fond of the M3 and drive it much more than the C4S. That will change once summer gets here I drive a lot with the top down.

Anyway, all that to say I am totally accustomed to the feel of 911s and I have really come to appreciate and enjoy the M3 as a daily driver.

OMG - don't tell Motorsportenterprise that - he'll never approve of you if you do....shhh...

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by SROC5

MT videos have become sooooo cheesy, I loathe cammisa reviews, and how he delivers the info. The best car reviews/videos nowadays are from DriveTribe imo.

Yeah, but Pobst is one of the very few (he and Chris Harris) doing these comparisons that I can think of who has the skill to jump in these cars with little or no seat time and truly run at or near their limits on a track. Much better than listening to or reading reviews from novice/intermediate skill drivers at best whom I would not sign off.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Yeah, but Pobst is one of the very few (he and Chris Harris) doing these comparisons that I can think of who has the skill to jump in these cars with little or no seat time and truly run at or near their limits on a track. Much better than listening to or reading reviews from novice/intermediate skill drivers at best whom I would not sign off.

Agree on Pobst for sure, think Chris, Jethro, and Catchpole are all from relatively the same ilk and experience as road test editors. All exhibit their ability to drive well, and speak about nuances re: these cars. I do like both the pro driver POV, but in addition, someone who's just below the pro level who can tell you if this car is welcoming to real-world everyday drivers, or potentially a handful unless you're Pobst.

[mbiondo]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I don't believe there was an AMG 190E. It is probably the 190E16V-2.3 or 190E16V-2.5EVO they mentioned. Those were the direct competitor of the E30 M3 on both street and track (DTM for one).

You're right. It was the 2.3. Never was a fan of those, so I don't know what was or wasn't, or, still is, an AMG. German muscle cars, IMO, and not in the league of an M3 or AR QV.

[mbiondo]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

My F80 is my first Bimmer. I drove Porsche turbos as daily drivers from about 89/90 through 2015. Lost my tried bought the first RCF sold here (needed a back seat for my now 5 year old) and a 991 GT3 at the same time when turning in my '12 997.2 tt cab.

Totaled the RCF on December 9, found out totaled on December 23, purchased the M3 that same day and immediately wished I had purchased another 911. Wifey let me pick up my CPO '12 C4S cab about 2 weeks later.

The M3 has really grown on me and it actually has a large back seat, much roomier than wife's Macan S. Took moment to get used to the seating position and having a larger car wrapped around me, but I gotta admit that I really grown fond of the M3 and drive it much more than the C4S. That will change once summer gets here I drive a lot with the top down.

Anyway, all that to say I am totally accustomed to the feel of 911s and I have really come to appreciate and enjoy the M3 as a daily driver.

Except for the RCF, you have very good taste in cars. Hey, we're all entitled to one mistake in life, right?

Let's face it, German cars are hard not to love. I have envy, hatred, and love for the Germans-- in equal parts.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I think many people confuse DSC intervention with loss of traction. The overly intrusive (even in MDM) DSC is one weak point of the F8X IMO.

+1

Euro MDM didn't really help much either

[Motorsportenterprise]

Did anyone see the Car and Driver M3/atsv/c63/Alfa test? Unless the data is wrong, the M3 has 93 octane and the rest 91 octane. Why in the world wouldn't they all have the same gas? Clearly 93 would be preferable over 91.
Reminds me of the time they or MT tested the Cayenne turbo S on all season tires (not the oem summers) vs and x5m on extreme performance summer. Certainly a difference there.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Did anyone see the Car and Driver M3/atsv/c63/Alfa test? Unless the data is wrong, the M3 has 93 octane and the rest 91 octane. Why in the world wouldn't they all have the same gas? Clearly 93 would be preferable over 91.
Reminds me of the time they or MT tested the Cayenne turbo S on all season tires vs and x5m on extreme performance summer. Certainly a difference there.

Octane? Are you frickin kidding me? Your comparing 93 to 91 octane to a difference in tires?

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Octane? Are you frickin kidding me? Your comparing 93 to 91 octane to a difference in tires?

I'm not comparing. My post was only to point out inconsistency. Why test 3 of the 4 cars on 91 and the M3 in 93?
Why test one car on summer and then another on all season when the car on all seasons should have summers (which were the oem tire).
I like to look at things as comparable as much as possible and those are blatantly not comparing on things that could and should be equal.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

I'm not comparing. My post was only to point out inconsistency. Why test 3 of the 4 cars on 91 and the M3 in 93?
Why test one car on summer and then another on all season when the car on all seasons should have summers (which were the oem tire).
I like to look at things as comparable as much as possible and those are blatantly not comparing on things that could and should be equal.

???

Are you saying that 93 or 91 octane will make a difference?

Didn't look at the article, but are they saying mfg suggested? I just put whatever the gas station has as highest grade. Some have 91 and some have 93 and pay little or no attention to it because it doesn't matter.

[NYM4GP]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

I think you're taking his comment out of its intended context. The way I read it - he's emphasizing (not announcing) that the Giulia QF has sticker tires - hence the delta is much smaller than one would otherwise think (especially since the QF has a better power to weight ratio)...

I don't think he saying as a newsflash - but as a basis for why the parity between the laptimes is probably closer than one would expect...

^ Yes, exactly thank you.

I can't believe the nonsense comments on this forums.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by NYM4GP

^ Yes, exactly thank you.

I can't believe the nonsense comments on this forums.

It is amazing how blatantly out-of-context some people's responsive comments are...

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by redpriest

It's an $80,000 car. It's not a Rolls-Royce.

You're right, Rolls Royces don't have Ferrari-developed engines. Interesting article indicates the Ferrari-developed 505 Hp 2.9L V6 engine could be used in an upcoming Ferrari Dino model. How's that for street cred?

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/22/f...#slide-4787097

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

Just to note, it looks like Fiat went crazy with advertising the Alfa Romeo brand lately (superbowl), and I see Giulia commercials constantly on TV (for the last 2 months). That being said go and try to find a Giulia-QF down in sunny southern california - probably one of the biggest car markets in the world and zip - nothing for 100 mile radius. Sure there's a bunch of regular Giulias base models - but honestly with the looks of this car (very polarizing) it will attract a limited number of buyers. Kind of the same story with the Fiat 500.. they can't give them away.
Meanwhile, BMWs M cars sell by the truckloads down here.
I'm sure the Giulia is a great car, but I doubt it will ever outsell or outpromote the
king of the this segment.

That ad is so annoying.

Every time I watch it, it is sounding like this to me:


Dear Reliable,

See you around,

Guilia

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

+1

Euro MDM didn't really help much either

Yeah that's what I said before in another thread, euro MDM is still very intrusive.

And I have also wrote previously that Sport Auto did a traction control test between MB, Porsche, and BMW with BMW rated the worst, worst meant it was too intrusive and cut in far too early.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Yeah that's what I said before in another thread, euro MDM is still very intrusive.

And I have also wrote previously that Sport Auto did a traction control test between MB, Porsche, and BMW with BMW rated the worst, worst meant it was too intrusive and cut in far too early.

I think Euro-MDM makes DSC bearable on the street, where I prefer to keep a safety net. Whereas basic DSC and US-MDM drive me ballistics even with street use .

But I agree, it is still way too intrusive for proper track use.