2018 BMW M3 CS priced at $97,400

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

... they only expect to move 550 in the US, and I'm sure that's doable. Now, how quickly we go from dealer markup to under MSRP will be entertaining to watch.

That's for the M3CS. They will have a fair bit more M4CSs to move, with about 1 out of 5 M4 coupe being a CS.

Although I am starting to question if we'll even get the M4 CS on this side of Atlantic with still no pricing nor release date anounced .

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Who's on first

My hero.

Originally Posted by mkoesel

that's very different from what I see here. I see plenty of comments from people who already own and love an M3 - some of them with cars spec'd up over $80k, mind you, so they are very willing to pay to play ... the package simply isn't that compelling...

Speaking as a non-purist non-enthusiast douchebag ... (i just bought a f83 CP. why? what is the purpose of such a car )

...I can say I think the interior is pretty cool and I'd get it if I could even if pushed up the price quite a bit (although I HATE the "CS" on the dash, ugly as fuck), but what I'd prefer even more is the package CanAutM3 mentioned.

There was GTS in the Welt and ZERO people were taking pictures by it. I barely saw anyone glance at it. But the M4 Speed Yellow CP 'vert was really popular.

The product danger for BMW is not price; it's that they have no F8x halo car, so they lose the very people they need to keep their cars cool.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by GFK007

No m3 is worth 100k. None.

I hear E46 M3 CSL's are going for over $100K now.
But yeah, none of the new ones are worth $100K.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

I hear E46 M3 CSL's are going for over $100K now.
But yeah, none of the new ones are worth $100K.

That makes sense, with the bespoke engine and novel (at the time) weight saving measures. Perhaps the F8X cars will be sought out in the future, when hybrids and electric power presumably take over. We shall see.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Speaking as a non-purist non-enthusiast douchebag ... (i just bought a f83 CP. why? what is the purpose of such a car )

you replaced your vert with a cp vert? when?

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Please do not say ridiculous things

Haha, seriously? After claiming that an E92 is faster than a current generation 911S or GTS?

I have no doubt that you win all the HDPE's in your E92, but come on man, just get real.

[ano0oj]

Originally Posted by avex8

Lol overpriced. I'll buy a used r8 or new Gtr

Agreed, so many other GREAT options at this price. Gently used M6, Aston, SL63....M3 doesn't even come to my mind at that $

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

you replaced your vert with a cp vert? when?

A few weeks ago, did an ED, should be here Christmas Eve

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

A few weeks ago, did an ED, should be here Christmas Eve

oh wow. congrats man. I thought you were going to go to the dark side... amg. Beautiful car, that leather looks amazing. Someone should send you some conditioner and cleaner for christmas.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ano0oj

Agreed, so many other GREAT options at this price. Gently used M6, Aston, SL63....M3 doesn't even come to my mind at that $

this is why I love these threads...

[gtr]

I'd rather buy a almost brand new GTS for probably the same $ after few options? WTF is BMW thinking?

If the M2cs has 80k type pricing I'm sporting an 718 spyder for 10 grand more.

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

You are absolutely laughable. A Carrera S convertible which is as far from junk as you can get, on track would be able to easily beat an M4 GTS on the same tires, given how much faster a Carrera S on summer tires than the M4 GTS. The only one in la la land is you.

I think you also forget that at 90k, a base 911 outperforms the M4, M4 CP/CS and if you threw cup tires on it would match the M4 GTS or beat it despite having a 130 hp deficit. It’s jsut a more capable car and can use its power better. And it’s a lot more fun to drive on and off track too. The Carrera T more so.

Wow - how do you go from the name "Motorsportsenterprise" to "Funf6cyl?" Wonder how long until you get banned yet again...

[isugoo]

Originally Posted by Racer20

The problem I have with the CS though is that it's literally the same hardware as the CP, just different software tunes. For an extra $34k, a 911GTS gets you a different engine with +80hp, wider fenders, bigger brakes, rear wheel steering, active stabilizer bars, E-diff, etc. etc. For an extra $34k, an M3CS gets you the exact same brakes, the same suspension hardware with recalibrated dampers, +28hp with the same engine, the same seats, and a few aftermarket CF body panels. The Porsche provides meaningful upgrades over the base car for the price difference, while the CS does not.

You said it just right. Software, cosmetic parts along with new badge can't justify the price bump.

[isugoo]

Originally Posted by MojorisinM3

Agreed. This has been my gripe w the F80. Why couldnt BMW just fix the base M3 steering, exhaust note, and throttle response with software? Why do you have to pay for a super M version just to get the proper tuning that should have been done in the first place?

Its all about marketing and selling as many M cars as possible.

I lose all the way around. I sold my F80 for a 991 GTS. But if I had a choice, I would rather spend 40% less on an M3. But it has to be great out of the box, which the F80 is not. I cant pony up $100k for a CS when I can drive my 991 GTS for the same price.

I moved 911.1 C2S to M3 because of the performance/functionality I can get out of M3 with less $$. If it's exact same price, I wouldn't move from 911 to M3.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

oh wow. congrats man. I thought you were going to go to the dark side... amg. Beautiful car, that leather looks amazing. Someone should send you some conditioner and cleaner for christmas.

Thanks, yeah I was gonna go amg, but they wanted a ridiculous premium so I bailed, plus now I have the CP and the cubby bin!

And yeah, keeping that shit clean with the top down all the time is going to be a dumpster fire

[Calvin36]

Damn that's pricy but that's what you'd expect for a specialized M car.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Racer20

The problem I have with the CS though is that it's literally the same hardware as the CP, just different software tunes. For an extra $34k, a 911GTS gets you a different engine with +80hp, wider fenders, bigger brakes, rear wheel steering, active stabilizer bars, E-diff, etc. etc. For an extra $34k, an M3CS gets you the exact same brakes, the same suspension hardware with recalibrated dampers, +28hp with the same engine, the same seats, and a few aftermarket CF body panels. The Porsche provides meaningful upgrades over the base car for the price difference, while the CS does not.

That's not really a fair assessment.

For $32k over the base M3, the CS gets you:

• DCT
• Different springs (CP)
• Stiffer anti-roll bars (CP)
• Different seats (CP)
• Full leather trim
• 19"-20" staggered wheels and tires
• CF vented hood
• CF lip
• CF diffuser
• CF trunk lid spoiler
• A different exhaust
• Recalibrate EDC, DCT, EPS and e-diff

The real question is if it is worth $16k more than a similarly equipped M3 CP? That is where I find the value to be relatively thin.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

That's for the M3CS. They will have a fair bit more M4CSs to move, with about 1 out of 5 M4 coupe being a CS.

True. I commented only on the M3 since the thread was specific to that model. They may have more M4 CS to move, but it will be in production quite a bit longer. Over the six months the M3 CS is produced, it might end up being one of five too. It’s hard to a make guess since we don’t know the current production number split between M3 and M4.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The real question is if it is worth $16k more than a similarly equipped M3 CP? That is where I find the value to be relatively thin.

Curious how you calculate $16k. It would be $25k USD, no?

Admittedly one thing we do not yet know is if the CS will include standard some items from the existing list of optional equipment. Take Icon headlights for example - I could see those being standard for the CS (some have gotten them free on the base/ZCP M3 too, but that’s a gray area). That increases value, though not necessarily on a dollar per dollar basis if it wasn’t something you were already going to add anyway.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

True. I commented only on the M3 since the thread was specific to that model. They may have more M4 CS to move, but it will be in production quite a bit longer. Over the six months the M3 CS is produced, it might end up being one of five too. It’s hard to a make guess since we don’t know the current production number split between M3 and M4.



Curious how you calculate $16k. It would be $25k USD, no?

Admittedly one thing we do not yet know is if the CS will include standard some items from the existing list of optional equipment. Take Icon headlights for example - I could see those being standard for the CS (some have gotten them free on the base/ZCP M3 too, but that’s a gray area). That increases value, though not necessarily on a dollar per dollar basis if it wasn’t something you were already going to add anyway.

I added DCT, full leather, executive package, MP CF front splitter, MP CF diffuser and MP CF trunk spoiler for the CP and CS to be "similarly equipped", which adds up to about $81k.

[GS_Jay]

I just want a knock off of that deck lid spoiler on that thing! RK Carbon, get on making these!!!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by GS_Jay

I just want a knock off of that deck lid spoiler on that thing! RK Carbon, get on making these!!!

The CS' rear deck spoiler (Gurney flap) is more about function than aesthetics.

[nicknaz]

maybe to a collector this is worth it?

I'm not seeing how it's worth +50% of what I paid for my f80

I would have loved a $10k option pack to get the cup 2 and full coilovers and better exhaust instead of this