Thoughts on this new OBD flasher

[FAM3]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Tie goes to the runner?!?!?!



Looks like we both received the same news very early this morning.

Glad to see that all of our efforts will be going to good use with this
new opportunity!

I am in SoCal and would love to volunteer for this on my M4? Can you PM me your inbox is full.

[ptper]

Happy to see all this activity recently. I remember when I first bought my car and reaching out to a tuner to ask about port flashing since I had it on my Audi B8 S4. They responded with a curt, "It will never happen". Took a while, but it looks a whole mess of us are gonna have moar powah soon! haha.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Railgun

If that's really all it is, won't be too long before that's reverse engineered for a reasonable price.

Word going around is that the BMW developer bootloader files have been sold to the tuners, such as Magic Motorsports. I e-mailed Magic this morning for more information about the Fxxx OBD flash tool. Apparently there is a Android app that can program via the OBD if you watch this video:

I can see the US tuners locking down the software they send out now to end customers for remote OBD flash, but a IT guru should be able to 'crack' this software as its not being developed by the NSA. I can't see the cable they are supplying containing a chip to lock it to a specific VIN, as it's just a fancy ENET cable.

[swifty]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Word going around is that the BMW developer bootloader files have been sold to the tuners, such as Magic Motorsports. I e-mailed Magic this morning for more information about the Fxxx OBD flash tool. Apparently there is a Android app that can program via the OBD if you watch this video:

I can see the US tuners locking down the software they send out now to end customers for remote OBD flash, but a IT guru should be able to 'crack' this software as its not being developed by the NSA. I can't see the cable they are supplying containing a chip to lock it to a specific VIN, as it's just a fancy ENET cable.

I would prefer this over using a laptop if I flashed my car?

This means they have to be using some type of agent connected to the OBDII port, correct?

[Ibiza]

This website has the BMW Foxx toolset with ENET OBD had available for pre-order, but it's now closed. Wonder if it's the Magic Motorsports product?

http://www.flashtec.ch/

[aboulfad]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

... but a IT guru should be able to 'crack' this software as its not being developed by the NSA... .

An IT guru can maybe configure a router, but cryptography, reverse engineering and other software engineering disciplines are, uhh, software engineering disciplines. As an avid hobbyist, you can NOT imagine how complex the subject is...

FYI, given you are new here :-), BM3 provides mobile apps to flash our cars which would most likely be extended to support OBD unlock!

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by aboulfad

An IT guru can maybe configure a router, but cryptography, reverse engineering and other software engineering disciplines are, uhh, software engineering disciplines. As an avid hobbyist, you can NOT imagine how complex the subject is...

FYI, given you are new here :-), BM3 provides mobile apps to flash our cars which would most likely be extended to support OBD unlock!

Yes, I'm fairly new to this. Did Proceed when the N54 1st came to market, then jumped back in with a stage II flash tune during ED in September. Wasn't going to tune my F85, but with this news hitting, it has me very interested. Thanks for putting up with us

[aboulfad]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Yes, I'm fairly new to this. Did Proceed when the N54 1st came to market, then jumped back in with a stage II flash tune during ED in September. Wasn't going to tune my F85, but with this news hitting, it has me very interested. Thanks for putting up with us

No trouble and likewise, thanks for putting up with us smartasses there is a lot in these forums and one has to read a lot to keep up! Yes, the tuning arena took an 180 right angle turn with the recent news, but I am still happy with my stock M4 FYI, the BM3 platform is probably the most rich and with mobile app support, its idiot proof, well almost !

(Disclosure: I don't have any tuning product nor am I affiliated with any vendor)

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by swifty

I would prefer this over using a laptop if I flashed my car?

This means they have to be using some type of agent connected to the OBDII port, correct?

We've been looking into app development for Port Flashing, which may
be something we offer in the future, but we still prefer the stability of
wired delivery from the laptop via OBDII. This allows you to store the
stock and tuned files on your laptop for use without the chance of any
potential connectivity issues with BT, WiFi, Cloud Access, etc...

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by FAM3

I am in SoCal and would love to volunteer for this on my M4? Can you PM me your inbox is full.

Inbox is clear for now ... PM sent!

Thanks for the interest.

[BwoodBMW]

I guess I'll give it a few months for a bunch of people to test the different tunes and make sure their cars don't explode before I make a choice Something tells me there is almost more enjoyment to be had in the DCT code than the motor itself.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

I guess I'll give it a few months for a bunch of people to test the different tunes and make sure their cars don't explode before I make a choice Something tells me there is almost more enjoyment to be had in the DCT code than the motor itself.

These tunes are 'safe' as long as the boost stays at 23 or below and you don't look for a crazy 700 hp number. I wouldn't push past 525 hp without a stage II set-up, as this should stay within the margin of error based on the GTS numbers.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

I guess I'll give it a few months for a bunch of people to test the different tunes and make sure their cars don't explode before I make a choice Something tells me there is almost more enjoyment to be had in the DCT code than the motor itself.

The only change as of today is in the delivery mechanism used to load
the software. Last week it required ECU removal and 'unlock' to enable
port flashing, and this week we can go straight to port flashing without
even opening the hood!

If you want a "few months" of reviews we've got nearly two years worth!

The same Stage ONE calibrations we would have uploaded last month,
is the same Stage ONE calibrations we will be uploading today.
(same for ZCP Level, Sage TWO, Stage TWO+, etc...)

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

The only change as of today is in the delivery mechanism used to load
the software. Last week it required ECU removal and 'unlock' to enable
port flashing, and this week we can go straight to port flashing without
even opening the hood!

If you want a "few months" of reviews we've got nearly two years worth!

The same Stage ONE calibrations we would have uploaded last month,
is the same Stage ONE calibrations we will be uploading today.
(same for ZCP Level, Sage TWO, Stage TWO+, etc...)

Got it.... I was under the impression that there were certain aspects that still couldn't be modified via obd and the tune would be slightly different. Thanks.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Got it.... I was under the impression that there were certain aspects that still couldn't be modified via obd and the tune would be slightly different. Thanks.

I can only speak on behalf of our own HEX Tuning Software.


As we stated previously, the recent announcement for "Port Flashing"
only references the delivery mechanism for the software.

The actual software itself will vary from tuner to tuner, and as the week
goes on I'm sure people will be able to see a more definitive difference
between who is delivering as promised, and who is just trying to create
a distraction until they are actually up to speed.

[F32Fleet]

What I find odd is that multiple vendors have released this product in the past couple of weeks. This coordinated announcement is interesting.

[aboulfad]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

What I find odd is that multiple vendors have released this product in the past couple of weeks. This coordinated announcement is interesting.

Their source must be the same and released it to interested willing to buy parties. Judging by the amount of discussions, PM price posts, and newly joined members asking questions, it is a hot item ticket and those that have NOT offered yet will trail behind and loose market share

[ptper]

Can somebody translate this?! lol.

BMW Fxx OBD flasher MASTER/SLAVE update released
-added Restore ORI function (restore to original FLASH not EEPROM) - for warranty purposes
-added Reading Secret key (ISN) for diesel engine* - for recoding
-added STOP FLASH COUNTER function* - now you can write even 100 times your car on the dyno. Flash counter will remain always ORIGINAL
*Need unlock with new software, if was done already, customer should
make Restore ORI and then write some file (can be vr ori or mod).
After this process function will working.
Link to download new software: https://mms.magicmotorsport.com/panel/files/441
From dec 20, is available also BMW Fxx OBD flasher in SLAVE version at special price 990 euro VAT excl.
Use this link to create your order:
https://mms.magicmotorsport.com/panel/tickets/new…
Before purchasing first SLAVE tool you need to pay one time fee:
https://www.magicmotorsport.com/…/sl...decrypting-m…/
Next update:
-CVN Fix
-support for MASTR/SLAVE ECUs (example BMW M6)
-... other nice stuff
Best regards

[aboulfad]

^^^ that is most interesting, that would mean the local sponsors would most likely have those features at some point in time. And that was quick to come up with the other features, flash counter, ... "Back to stock" and "hidden tuning" are probably very interesting for this community!

With this new update of their software, it kinda sounds like a full DME readout is a thing of the past. These MMS guys are the real hardcore engineers

[BPM]

Originally Posted by aboulfad

^^^ that is not interesting, that would mean the local sponsors would most likely have those features at some point in time. And that was quick to come up with the other features, flash counter, ... "Back to stock" and "hidden tuning" are probably very interesting for this community!

With this new update of their software, it kinda sounds like a full DME readout is a thing of the past.

We have this tool, although it has been sitting in the box for a week now. Haven't had time to try it out as our current tools have been working perfectly worldwide. We've successfully flashed vehicles in the US, Germany, Italy, Taiwan, and Australia to name a few.

Stopping the flash counter from incrementing has been in development and will released soon amongst other goodies.

This is more of a tool for tuners and not for end users. There are other similar tools out there such as CMD.

[FSociety]

aboulfad did you see PTF post in another F80, Game Changer as always.
Pretty cool with Bootmod3 u dont need a laptop or per-say windows locked since it works on OSX/Windows/iPhone/Android

BM3 OBD unlock is coming very soon. While away on non-stop 15 hour flights we've managed to kill lots of time by expanding our DME Read feature that's part of the Diagnostics screen. It hasn't yet been pushed out as we don't want to break something unexpectedly until we're fully staffed again come week of Jan. 2nd. If you've followed our updates through the initial BM3 release back in late 2015 early 2016 you'd know that given how most of this work reverse engineering, sometimes days go by without making much progress, and then, in just a few hours or even a few minutes at times, a glimpse of a solution shows itself which ends up unfolding itself into a new solution/feature or even a change to the approach on how something is done so it could be improved upon.

Current tools/cables released that have OBD unlock support already such as Magic Motorsports, Frieling (many vendors that announced OBD unlock on this forum use this tool provider), CMD, can produce full 4MB readout files that can be used to activate and run with BM3. BM3's DME read feature that has been expanded recently will provide those already unlocked by some tuner out there (regardless of method) an easy way to activate without pulling the DME again as well which will make it super easy to get on board with it, get custom tuned and use anything in BM3 you'd like.


Offline flash process that doesn't require internet has also been in the works for some time and is also something that's coming down the pipe. All bootmod3 functionality is already available without internet access, logging/diagnostics/graphing with the last remaining part being the flash portion. You can already export and back up all the maps you've got in bm3 and back them up if you'd like to do so just like you can for instance emails, photos stored on facebook or documents on dropbox, etc.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=89

[aboulfad]

Originally Posted by BPMSport

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Stopping the flash counter from incrementing has been in development and will released soon amongst other goodies.

This is more of a tool for tuners and not for end users. There are other similar tools out there such as CMD.

you are right, although a bit expensive at 1900eur, it sounded as if it is an end user tool but then elsewhere they refer to an upcoming end user Fxx tool. The “most” (not not , typo above) interesting part is the “revert to stock” features they write about in their description.