DINANTRONICS Stage 3 (STD & CP Models) / High Performance Heat Exchanger

[Buddy Revell]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

It makes us giddy with excitement as to what may be achieved with stage 4 and the big turbos.

Any ETA for the big turbos? Or any info on price and power gains? I was just about to set up an appointment to get Pure Turbo's units, but want to see what your setup is capable of first.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Buddy Revell

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Any ETA for the big turbos? Or any info on price and power gains? I was just about to set up an appointment to get Pure Turbo's units, but want to see what your setup is capable of first.

Addressed about 5 posts previous to yours but our first test on our original design of turbos was conducted this past week. Did not go as planned. =/

We are now awaiting a new set of turbos with some altered specifications to test. Until the hardware design is sorted out its a bit hard to say cost or provide estimated power.

We are still aiming to announce our big turbos for the S55 around the week of SEMA however. Assuming the 2nd variant goes well at least it should be feasible.

[te37]

9,000$ for a (all required parts) bump in HP? And warranty? You have some very wealthy customers Dinan Keep up the great work!

[coleellicott]

Stage 3 saw consistent 20 HP and 20-25 lb-ft of torque across the ENTIRE RPM range and in some places much greater gains in torque while also evening out the power delivery. The performance of the F8x platform just got so much better!

Part Number: D440-1644-ST3 (STD) or D440-1644C-ST3 (CP)
Applications: 2015+ F80 M3 Sedan, 2015+ F82 M4 Coupe, 2015+ F83 M4 Convertible
Specifications:
BMW Factory Rating (STD): 425 HP, 406 lb-ft torque (484 HP, 446 lb-ft Measured)
With Stage 3 DINANTRONICS Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger: 548 HP, 549 lb-ft torque
BMW Factory Rating (CP): 444 HP, 406 lb-ft torque (507 HP, 463 lb-ft Measured)
With Stage 3 DINANTRONICS Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger: 573 HP, 548 lb-ft torque
Installation: 1.5 hours
Product Pages:
STD: http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1178/
CP: http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1178/
Release Date: November 4th, 2016. PRE-ORDER only at this time.

Description: The DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner is a highly engineered and sophisticated piece of computer hardware and software that enhances engine performance, without negating or voiding your new car warranty coverage and without affecting long term reliability or the functionality of on-board diagnostic systems. It is also the only tuning device emissions legal in all fifty states. The ultimate objective of developing this piece of technology was to provide the ability to control every signal entering and exiting the BMW factory Engine Control Unit. These items are unique to Dinan and together they embody the apex of performance engineering in a powerful, reliable, and warrantied package.

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So just a tune is 3,000USD, what would be the approximate price that a dealer would charge for Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger?

[larryn]

Originally Posted by coleellicott

Stage 3 saw consistent 20 HP and 20-25 lb-ft of torque across the ENTIRE RPM range and in some places much greater gains in torque while also evening out the power delivery. The performance of the F8x platform just got so much better!

Part Number: D440-1644-ST3 (STD) or D440-1644C-ST3 (CP)
Applications: 2015+ F80 M3 Sedan, 2015+ F82 M4 Coupe, 2015+ F83 M4 Convertible
Specifications:
BMW Factory Rating (STD): 425 HP, 406 lb-ft torque (484 HP, 446 lb-ft Measured)
With Stage 3 DINANTRONICS Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger: 548 HP, 549 lb-ft torque
BMW Factory Rating (CP): 444 HP, 406 lb-ft torque (507 HP, 463 lb-ft Measured)
With Stage 3 DINANTRONICS Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger: 573 HP, 548 lb-ft torque
Installation: 1.5 hours
Product Pages:
STD: http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1178/
CP: http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1178/
Release Date: November 4th, 2016. PRE-ORDER only at this time.

Description: The DINANTRONICS Performance Tuner is a highly engineered and sophisticated piece of computer hardware and software that enhances engine performance, without negating or voiding your new car warranty coverage and without affecting long term reliability or the functionality of on-board diagnostic systems. It is also the only tuning device emissions legal in all fifty states. The ultimate objective of developing this piece of technology was to provide the ability to control every signal entering and exiting the BMW factory Engine Control Unit. These items are unique to Dinan and together they embody the apex of performance engineering in a powerful, reliable, and warrantied package.

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So just a tune is 3,000USD, what would be the approximate price that a dealer would charge for Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger?[/QUOTE]

Add it up from the site (they should have done that for us):
P1 Power Package (S2 Tune, Intake, Exhaust): $6717
Difference Between S2 > S3 tune: $257
Performance Heat Exchanger: $699

Total: $7733


Since I have the P1 Power Package already, I kind of have to get this, which is what I'm sure they are counting on folks doing.

[dr.mba]

So I have the MPE and can't justify getting the dinan exhaust. Is this considered a reasonable alternative and would I expect similar gains? 2017 CP F80

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[1SIK_I8]

Fitment wise, will there be any issues if we have intakes such as the MSR's or Maximum PSI's?

[TR930]

Will Stage 4 have Dinan charge pipes as well?

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by te37

9,000$ for a (all required parts) bump in HP? And warranty? You have some very wealthy customers Dinan Keep up the great work!

Technically the only REQUIRED parts are the tune and the heat exchanger so less than half that and that would get you the lions share of the way to the advertised deltas/numbers.

Originally Posted by coleellicott

So just a tune is 3,000USD, what would be the approximate price that a dealer would charge for Tuner, Exhaust, Cold Air Intake & Heat Exchanger?

Originally Posted by larryn

Add it up from the site (they should have done that for us):
P1 Power Package (S2 Tune, Intake, Exhaust): $6717
Difference Between S2 > S3 tune: $257
Performance Heat Exchanger: $699

Total: $7733

Since I have the P1 Power Package already, I kind of have to get this, which is what I'm sure they are counting on folks doing.

Close to what Larryn said... http://www.dinancars.com/product/f82...ries&mid=1176/. Keep in mind that includes the 10% package discount when bundled together.

Originally Posted by dr.mba

So I have the MPE and can't justify getting the dinan exhaust. Is this considered a reasonable alternative and would I expect similar gains? 2017 CP F80

Yes. The exhaust contributes VERY little to the overall performance of the car so keeping the MPE versus Dinan would not yield any noticeable and/or real change.

Originally Posted by 1sik_335

Fitment wise, will there be any issues if we have intakes such as the MSR's or Maximum PSI's?

Never tested other brands of intakes but I would doubt it would cause any issues.

Originally Posted by TR930

Will Stage 4 have Dinan charge pipes as well?

Not to my knowledge.

[shortseller]

Can't wait till someone gets S3 + heat exchange and dynos the delta with stock intake/exhaust if possible. If I'm correct, ~$3700 will yield some nice gains whereas in the past, it would run double that with Dinan products. The new pricing model is a welcome change, that and along with matching warranty will be a market killer combo.

[Dinan_Engineering]

First post updated.

First allocation of heat exhangers has sold out. Any orders after 9/27 will be in the second production grouping (roughly a 11/18 ship date versus the 11/4 release ship date).

[BMW9]

Do you have any hot Dyno graphs showing the difference between stage 2 and stage 3 with the aftercooler? Im assuming the gains mentioned are at peak rpm but would be nice to see the area under the curve.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

First post updated.

First allocation of heat exhangers has sold out. Any orders after 9/27 will be in the second production grouping (roughly a 11/18 ship date versus the 11/4 release ship date).

Is the Dinan matching warranty void if a stage 3 is used without the heat exchange?

As I run in sport+ all the time, my oil tempts peaks around 180. Is stage 3 producing that much more heat where I would need the heat exchange if I'm barely cracking 180?

Thank you

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by BMW9

Do you have any hot Dyno graphs showing the difference between stage 2 and stage 3 with the aftercooler? Im assuming the gains mentioned are at peak rpm but would be nice to see the area under the curve.

Surprisingly, I have seen that exact data point comparison recently but don't see it in my email anywhere. Does not appear to have been moved over to the shared server either. Figures. Unfortunately the calibrator who would have that information on his laptop is at Road Atlanta this week supporting the N20 race engine program teams in the ST class so I have sent him an email to see if I can get that sooner rather then later to share.

In the meantime I do remember the the heat exchanger added to stage two quite literally added 10 HP across the entire rev range. Really couldn't have made it cleaner if you tried.

I'll update this post when I get the chart though.

UPDATE: Chart is below. The comparison was done on a competition package vehicle so keep that in mind as well. The black/gray line is the base stage 2 with intake/exhaust. The light blue/red lines would be stage 2 with the heat exchanger added to the mix but the tuning NOT updated. The darker blue/red lines would be the full stage 3 setup.

Originally Posted by shortseller

Is the Dinan matching warranty void if a stage 3 is used without the heat exchange?

As I run in sport+ all the time, my oil tempts peaks around 180. Is stage 3 producing that much more heat where I would need the heat exchange if I'm barely cracking 180?

Thank you

Dinan warranty is only applicable to stage 3 when ran in conjunction with the heat exchanger. Whereas previous stages do not require a hard part to function or be warranted (although they are strongly recommended) stage 3 requires the heat exchanger to maintain the matching warranty. The heat exchanger has nothing to do with oil temps. The oil coolers on the F8x cars seem to be pretty stout unless you are truly using it as a race car or pushing it to the brink religiously. The heat exchanger is helping to reduce the intake charge air so the motor itself can run more efficiently from the denser cooler air. While allowing more efficiency/power the lower temps also reduce the possibility of engine knock.

[BMW9]

Very nice. Looks like stage 3 software has more than the claimed 0.5 psi additive boost between 2700 rpm and 3700 rpm. Torque curve spikes in that range.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by BMW9

Very nice. Looks like stage 3 software has more than the claimed 0.5 psi additive boost between 2700 rpm and 3700 rpm. Torque curve spikes in that range.

That partly may be due to transmission as well. The CP car noted here was a manual and has the low end power spike where our STD shop M4 w/ DCT has a much more even power delivery in that low RPM range. The other DCT's and manuals we have tested to date seem to all have this same nuance in the lower end depending on what transmission is in the car. I am sure there is some technical reasoning behind it but thats beyond my scope.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by BMW9

Very nice. Looks like stage 3 software has more than the claimed 0.5 psi additive boost between 2700 rpm and 3700 rpm. Torque curve spikes in that range.

That range between 2700 - 3700 rpm, the torque boost will be great fun for daily street driving.

[72M4]

Maybe I missed it in the thread but don't think so....

Would there be an advantage, installation wise, to wait and get both stage three (cooler) and stage four (turbo) done at the same time. I would prefer to have the front end piping/ducting removed once?

I would expect that they are mutually exclusive with respect to installation but would like some concurrence.

[Buddy Revell]

Originally Posted by 72M4

Maybe I missed it in the thread but don't think so....

Would there be an advantage, installation wise, to wait and get both stage three (cooler) and stage four (turbo) done at the same time. I would prefer to have the front end piping/ducting removed once?

I would expect that they are mutually exclusive with respect to installation but would like some concurrence.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by 72M4

Maybe I missed it in the thread but don't think so....

Would there be an advantage, installation wise, to wait and get both stage three (cooler) and stage four (turbo) done at the same time. I would prefer to have the front end piping/ducting removed once?

I would expect that they are mutually exclusive with respect to installation but would like some concurrence.

Originally Posted by Buddy Revell

I was thinking the same thing.

Both installs are very separate with very little overlap so you may save a half an hour of labor time or something but it would be very minimal in the grand scheme of things.

[MNoob]

For the non-CP tune, I just noticed on the Stage 3 power chart Dinan posted, there seems to be a bust in the delta numbers at 7000 rpm. Looks like the line is correct (curves up) but the numbers are wrong (drop), at least if you subtract stock and tuned above the delta lines.

Also noticed Stage 3 torque has a small drop at 2500 rpm relative to stock (-23), but quite a large drop relative to the Stage 2 tune (-67). What's up with that?

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by MNoob

For the non-CP tune, I just noticed on the Stage 3 power chart Dinan posted, there seems to be a bust in the delta numbers at 7000 rpm. Looks like the line is correct (curves up) but the numbers are wrong (drop), at least if you subtract stock and tuned above the delta lines.

Also noticed Stage 3 torque has a small drop at 2500 rpm relative to stock (-23), but quite a large drop relative to the Stage 2 tune (-67). What's up with that?

Fixed the charts on the website. You are correct that the line itself was accurate but the delta numbers displayed at 7k were wrong.

In regards to the 2500 RPM data point that has more to do with how the dyno test was performed more than anything. On stage 3 they probably just started the pull slightly later than what was done on stage 2. I can ask when the calibrators get in but that would be my gut response.