2016 M4 GTS Showing in U.S. Dealership Ordering System

[solstice]

Don't underestimate what can be done with even a modest car like the E36 when turning it into a track car with track rubber, track suspension, removing weight , engine tune. etc. the GTS is going to be a factory track modded M4. Not to the extreme since it's still street legal but enough to make it a very different car I suspect. Take the E46 M3 CSL, it's 32s faster around the ring than the standard E46 M3, I expect something similar this time around. The CSL is after all the favorite M car of the current M boss

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

Don't underestimate what can be done with even a modest car like the E36 when turning it into a track car with track rubber, track suspension, removing weight , engine tune. etc. the GTS is going to be a factory track modded M4. Not to the extreme since it's still street legal but enough to make it a very different car. Take the E46 M3 CSL, it's 32s faster around the ring than the standard E46 M3, I expect something similar this time around. The CSL is after the favorite M car of the current M boss

I've recently driven an track/street set up e46 m3 on the road.

some sacrifices in a street car shouldn't be made.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

I've recently driven an track/street set up e46 m3 on the road.

some sacrifices in a street car shouldn't be made.

But that's where I suspect there is some misunderstanding, the GTS is not primarily a street car. Like a GT3 I suspect it's a track car that is street legal. The regular M4 is the opposite, a trackable street car. There will likely be no air con many will say that's a no no in a street car. Different focus.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

But that's where I suspect there is some misunderstanding, the GTS is not primarily a street car. Like a GT3 I suspect it's a track car that is street legal. The regular M4 is the opposite, a trackable street car. There will likely be no air con many will say that's a no no in a street car. Different focus.

gt3? id be shocked if it were ordered/sold without AC. similar issue with the z28, i have seen one yet without AC. i know they exist, but i haven't seen one.

also, i don't think the gt3 is as extreme as most people say they are. CSL, e92 M3 GTS, F8X M3/4 GTS is going to be more compromised than any gt3.

gt3 rs, different story.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

gt3? id be shocked if it were ordered/sold without AC. similar issue with the z28, i have seen one yet without AC. i know they exist, but i haven't seen one.

also, i don't think the gt3 is as extreme as most people say they are. CSL, e92 M3 GTS, F8X M3/4 GTS is going to be more compromised than any gt3.

gt3 rs, different story.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see what BMW will bring this time. A heavy show boat with big flashy underperforming aero, look at me color and not much extra go to look cool in the dentist parking lot or a more hard core racer with serious performance upgrades and results.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

Well, we'll just have to wait and see what BMW will bring this time. A heavy show boat with big flashy underperforming aero, look at me color and no extra go or a more hard core racer with serious performance upgrades and results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaN...8&spfreload=10


good time to leave this here

[19x]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

OOOO i can break down your quotes also, this is gonna be fun

Congratulations. There's a first time for everything.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

thats where i got the price from. where you said that you think that even at or slightly above $100k it would be getting because it would be on par with a 991 gt3.

in which you conceded that a gt3 costs CONSIDERABLY more.

Right. Makes perfect sense. If the M4 GTS costs $100k or slightly more, and offers similar performance to the GT3, then to me it's worth getting, since the GT3 base price is $130k.

You should really invest more time into reading people's posts if you're going to respond and not twist their words and make erroneous assumptions about what was said.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

im not gonna argue as to the number of lbs between a gt3 and where a m3 is vs where a C63BS is

But you are arguing.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

but the difference between a c63bs and a m3 dct is 340lbs

a m3 dct and a gt3 is 445.

95lbs difference in weight disparity, which id venture to guess is the point that thats what would be difference between m3/4 gts vs m3/4

To go by manufacturer specs:
BMW lists the curb weight of the M4 DCT at 3,580 lbs
Porsche lists the curb weight of the GT3 at 3,153 lbs
Merc lists the curb weight of the C63 BS at 3,814 lbs

If the M4 GTS sheds 100 lbs (which is what I assumed would happen), then it will weigh 3,480 lbs, which is closer to the GT3 weight than the Black Series.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

are you saying there won't be a difference in horsepower now? brave assumption imho.

Nope. I assumed there might be little to no difference in power.

M4: 425 hp
GT3: 475 hp

M3 GTS received a ~7% power increase over the standard M3. If we apply the same to the current M4, we end up with ~455 hp. Yep, that would be little difference in power. Who knows, could be more than 7%. Or less.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSaN...8&spfreload=10


good time to leave this here

You're free to leave it whenever you like

[48Laws]

$150k+ ?

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by camber

Congratulations. There's a first time for everything.

Right. Makes perfect sense. If the M4 GTS costs $100k or slightly more, and offers similar performance to the GT3, then to me it's worth getting, since the GT3 base price is $130k.

You should really invest more time into reading people's posts if you're going to respond and not twist their words and make erroneous assumptions about what was said.

But you are arguing.

To go by manufacturer specs:
BMW lists the curb weight of the M4 DCT at 3,580 lbs
Porsche lists the curb weight of the GT3 at 3,153 lbs
Merc lists the curb weight of the C63 BS at 3,814 lbs

If the M4 GTS sheds 100 lbs (which is what I assumed would happen), then it will weigh 3,480 lbs, which is closer to the GT3 weight than the Black Series.

Nope. I assumed there might be little to no difference in power.

M4: 425 hp
GT3: 475 hp

M3 GTS received a ~7% power increase over the standard M3. If we apply the same to the current M4, we end up with ~455 hp. Yep, that would be little difference in power. Who knows, could be more than 7%. Or less.

Dude I'm done, you win

Can't wait to see what it's going to be like

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

You're free to leave it whenever you like

Chris Harris is awesome, made some good points

Generation old, but probably still valid

[BMW M3 CRT]

Some known facts about the M4 GTS

• limited to 750 cars
• price nearly 140K €
• around 500PS
• around 100kg less than an regular M4

[Falafel Combo]

Quick question. Would you get an M4 GTS or an M4 LCI with FREAKIN LED TAIL LIGHTS AND UPDATED NAV SOFTWARE ??!!! I know this one's going to be a nail bitter. I'll make a separate thread and poll for this one STAT!

[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Quick question. Would you get an M4 GTS or an M4 LCI with FREAKIN LED TAIL LIGHTS AND UPDATED NAV SOFTWARE ??!!! I know this one's going to be a nail bitter. I'll make a separate thread and poll for this one STAT!

[mkoesel]

Do you have a source for this information?

I'm not saying you are incorrect, and the information seems perfectly reasonable, but I'm sure you are familiar with how many "known facts" turn out to be fiction on a forum such as this one.

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Some known facts about the M4 GTS

• limited to 750 cars
• price nearly 140K €
• around 500PS
• around 100kg less than an regular M4

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Do you have a source for this information?

I'm not saying you are incorrect, and the information seems perfectly reasonable, but I'm sure you are familiar with how many "known facts" turn out to be fiction on a forum such as this one.

Source is Georg Kacher in an AUTOBILD article about driving the MotoGP Safety Car aka M4 GTS !
http://www.autobild.de/marken-modelle/bmw/m4-gts/1/

All quotes seems indeed reasonably and could be found partly in some other german car magazines ... only the 100kg (vs. M4 DCT) weight reduction seems for me questionable !?

[mkoesel]

Ok, so we'll call it rumor then. That's fair, right? AutoBild has a bit of a spotty reputation in my experience, with claims that don't always hold up (such as the ~3300lb M4 weight).

Originally Posted by BMW M3 CRT

Source is Georg Kacher in an AUTOBILD article about driving the MotoGP Safety Car aka M4 GTS !
http://www.autobild.de/marken-modelle/bmw/m4-gts/1/

All quotes seems indeed reasonably and could be found partly in some other german car magazines ... only the 100kg (vs. M4 DCT) weight reduction seems for me questionable !?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ok, so we'll call it rumor then. That's fair, right? AutoBild has a bit of a spotty reputation in my experience, with claims that don't always hold up (such as the ~3300lb M4 weight).

That ~3300lb weight for the M4 did come from BMW though

[IMrMark]

eh... I love what I have, don't like I'll feel like I'm missing anything, even tho it's sure to be a delicious ride!

but kudos to those diehards who manage to get their hands on one and can't help needing to carry a spare set of pants everytime they get behind the wheel!

[BMW M3 CRT]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ok, so we'll call it rumor then. That's fair, right? AutoBild has a bit of a spotty reputation in my experience, with claims that don't always hold up (such as the ~3300lb M4 weight).

Okay reasonable rumor is fair. The 100kg weight reduction I also don´t beleave, but because it´s an Turbo car 500PS seems possible (likely!).

BUT an price of nearly 140K€ seems to be an fact, who dreams about not more than 100K€ ... dreams, look at the E9x M3 GTS and CRT.

And I think the lmitation of 750 cars should be also an fact (BMW M-GmbH told Mr.Kacher), simply because every M4 GTS would be "andmade" by the M-GmbH ... like M3 GTS and M3 CRT.

[RingMeister01]

I hope it has closer gear ratios than standard DCT.

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by camber

Congratulations. There's a first time for everything.



Right. Makes perfect sense. If the M4 GTS costs $100k or slightly more, and offers similar performance to the GT3, then to me it's worth getting, since the GT3 base price is $130k.

You should really invest more time into reading people's posts if you're going to respond and not twist their words and make erroneous assumptions about what was said.



But you are arguing.



To go by manufacturer specs:
BMW lists the curb weight of the M4 DCT at 3,580 lbs
Porsche lists the curb weight of the GT3 at 3,153 lbs
Merc lists the curb weight of the C63 BS at 3,814 lbs

If the M4 GTS sheds 100 lbs (which is what I assumed would happen), then it will weigh 3,480 lbs, which is closer to the GT3 weight than the Black Series.



Nope. I assumed there might be little to no difference in power.

M4: 425 hp
GT3: 475 hp

M3 GTS received a ~7% power increase over the standard M3. If we apply the same to the current M4, we end up with ~455 hp. Yep, that would be little difference in power. Who knows, could be more than 7%. Or less.

I think your head just disappeared up your own asshole. if you think the M4 GTS is going to be "on par" with the performance of a 991 GT3, you're in for some serious disappointment. if they could match the 997 GT3 around a track, I'd consider it a huge achievement. but a 991 GT3 - absolutely no chance.