F80 M3 Competition ZCP debuts at Washington Auto Show and Daytona

[MWM]

I reaally want to like those wheels. I keep trying to. But they are beyond awful -- I can't remember a time when the "flagship" wheel option looked materially worse than the "freebie" wheel option.

BMW, take my money for an F80 in 2016. But: take $5,500 less of it. You are leaving a good bit of profitability on the table by persisting with an awful design. The seats are fab but even they can't overcome dat twenny-spoke ugly you got goin on dere.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by MWM

BMW, take my money for an F80 in 2016. But: take $5,500 less of it. You are leaving a good bit of profitability on the table by persisting with an awful design. The seats are fab but even they can't overcome dat twenny-spoke ugly you got goin on dere.

I agree with you that the wheels are not attractive, but if you like the seats and other content, why not just switch to 437M or another wheel of your choice? Yeah, it would make a lot more sense if BMW would just let you option it that way to begin with, but at least for MY2016, they decided not to do that. Still, opting out completely when wheels are so easy to switch seems extreme to me.

[W///]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I agree with you that the wheels are not attractive, but if you like the seats and other content, why not just switch to 437M or another wheel of your choice? Yeah, it would make a lot more sense if BMW would just let you option it that way to begin with, but at least for MY2016, they decided not to do that. Still, opting out completely when wheels are so easy to switch seems extreme to me.

Agreed. There are so many 19" wheels for sale used so it's not like that's an issue.

[vincE92M3]

Wonder how much higher the car sits with those wheels

[KZEVO]

Sent you an email with a couple pics that show the spokes sit flat with the rim (cave in towards the center). Feel free to add here if you find them helpful.

Originally Posted by W///

I like this angle, and it's kind of why I want to see these wheels in real life. You almost never see this concavity in the official pics so far:


What I cannot live with is still that front wheel gap. I'm not all about slamming your cars to the ground, but that looks horrible to me.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by vincE92M3

Wonder how much higher the car sits with those wheels

The short answer is that it sits no higher.

This is due to the fact that the 20" wheel comes with a tire that has less side wall than the 19" wheel. The same is true for the 18" wheel too. All factory tires have effectively the same outside diameter.

The long answer is that it sits imperceptibly higher.

255/35 R19 diameter = 26.03"
265/30 R20 diameter = 26.26"
difference = 0.23"

275/35 R19 diameter = 26.58"
285/30 R20 diameter = 26.73"
difference = 0.15"

So, dividing the difference by two, the ZCP car sits 0.115" higher in front and 0.075" higher in back as compared to a non-ZCP with OEM 19" wheels.

You can do the math as compared to the OEM 18" wheel too if you are curious.

[vincE92M3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The short answer is that it sits no higher.

This is due to the fact that the 20" wheel comes with a tire that has less side wall than the 19" wheel. The same is true for the 18" wheel too. All factory tires have effectively the same outside diameter.

The long answer is that it sits imperceptibly higher.

255/35 R19 diameter = 26.03"
265/30 R20 diameter = 26.26"
difference = 0.23"

275/35 R19 diameter = 26.58"
285/30 R20 diameter = 26.73"
difference = 0.15"

So, dividing the difference by two, the ZCP car sits 0.115" higher in front and 0.075" higher in back as compared to a non-ZCP with OEM 19" wheels.

You can do the math as compared to the OEM 18" wheel too if you are curious.

Thanks for this!

A 10mm drop would have been appreciated here!

Considering that the front is 5.8mm and rear is 3.8mm higher than with 19" wheels then.

I'm very interested to read reviews on the competition package and handling improvements.

[W///]

Originally Posted by KZEVO

Sent you an email with a couple pics that show the spokes sit flat with the rim (cave in towards the center). Feel free to add here if you find them helpful.

Got your email, thanks for the heads up! I guess maybe concavity is the wrong word. I'm hoping they look more 3D than some of the pics we've seen so far.

Either way, the wheels aren't going to be a stumbling block for me. I just want to see if the suspension tweaks make that big of a difference to justify $5500, as well as how the exhaust sounds. I'm OK with either the base or ZCP seats.

[997CABOVA]

Im sorry not feeling the wheels at allll

[HokieM4]

The wheels do look better in person, but still not what they should look like with a $5,500 package. No thanks

[Analog Imports]

Personally, the wheels are growing on me a bit. It will definitely look better with some spacers and a drop, but still...359's would have been nice. Props to them trying something different though.

[W///]

Originally Posted by HokieM4

The wheels do look better in person, but still not what they should look like with a $5,500 package. No thanks

Maybe, maybe not. But this is not the Rim Package. It's a Competition Package, and if it doesn't handle $5500 worth better than the base M3/4, then we'll talk. I look forward to the reviews, although I think I'm shying away from this. $5500 is kind of a lot of $$$.

[GOLFFRR]

was hoping for more from the seats

[Gstone]

What about the exhaust?? Muffler looks the same from the pics.

If the exhaust is new and you don't need aftermarket, that would go a long way to justify ZCP extra cost

[firedown31]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

was hoping for more from the seats

This, the seats actually look really bad with those cut outs, in my opinion anyways.

[Porsha]

Pretty annoying choice in the ZCP for me.

I want: The seats, the factory black trim, the seat belts, and the factory power bump.

I don't want: The wheels, the exhaust, or the active suspension.


Given that, it doesn't seem to make sense for me to option it. The only way it would be worth it to me is if they let me option wheels I want and/or add a ZCP exclusive color in 2017/2018.

[Colinv6]

Those seats are terrible!!!

Wheels I'll refrain judgement until I've seen them in the flesh.

A UK forum user has stated that all LCI M3's and later M4's all have dampers with the same part numbers as Comp pack parts, earlier M3/4 have dampers with a different part number...

[chmura]

Man those wheels are terrible makes the car look bad!

Bring back the old style ZCP wheels!

This is the first time I prefer the non ZCP look! Love the e46 M3 ZCP, loved the e9x M3 ZCP, hate the F8x M3 ZCP.

On a positive note wheels are easy to swap.

[TN_3]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

Those seats are terrible!!!

Wheels I'll refrain judgement until I've seen them in the flesh.

A UK forum user has stated that all LCI M3's and later M4's all have dampers with the same part numbers as Comp pack parts, earlier M3/4 have dampers with a different part number...

This would be interesting...

[dgp]

Originally Posted by TN_3

This would be interesting...

This is wrong, BMW have already specified that comp package is receiving new dampers compared to base model. If they are the same dampers, BMW would not put it in the press release for comp package

[gtsussex]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

Those seats are terrible!!!

Wheels I'll refrain judgement until I've seen them in the flesh.

A UK forum user has stated that all LCI M3's and later M4's all have dampers with the same part numbers as Comp pack parts, earlier M3/4 have dampers with a different part number...

That'll be me then!

Yup, if you look at BMW ETK parts system here in lovely Europe, you can see that up until about July last year, there was only part number for EDC dampers (we have EDC as standard here). After July, that part number continued BUT there was an addition option for either Competition Package or Tyre Pressure Display. As all UK cars have TMPS as standard, one can therefore conclude that the dampers are indeed the same on UK cars now whether you have CP or normal car.

This would concur with reports in press over here that the more recent cars seem to have behaved better in challenging situations (read bumpy roads).

I could be completely wrong but the part numbers are there as plain to see.

[Colinv6]

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=144576

Here's the link to the thread it's well worth a read through